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Southern Flounder Allocation Vote

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Topic: Southern Flounder Allocation Vote
Posted By: Rick
Subject: Southern Flounder Allocation Vote
Date Posted: 02 March 2021 at 12:43pm

At last week's meeting, the commission voted on how to allocate the proposed total quota for southern flounder in Amendment 3 to the FMP.

As it stood based on the 2017 terminal year for the stock assessment- the commercial sector would get 73% of the quota and the recreational sector would get 27%.  The commission asked the division to look at how alternative allocations up to a 50/50 split would affect the recovery targets in the FMP.

CCA summed up that discussion nicely in it's Tidelines News Letter this morning-

Before much discussion on the options could even begin, Commissioner Doug Cross was quick to head off any debate with a motion to approve a 70/30 allocation of the fishery. In his comments, Cross stated that would be fair based on the historical landings since the commercial industry would be giving up "something". Both at-large commissioners, Tom Hendrickson and Martin Posey, voted for the allocation with the three commercial commissioners, choosing to ignore public comments that supported an equitable 50/50 allocation.

The vote to split the quota with commercials getting 70% and the recreational sector getting 30% almost assures that recs will have a 45-day season with a one fish bag limit.  There will be years that the recreational sector exceeds the 30% quota allocation.  The division explained that overage could result in complete closure of the recreational fishery for the following year, possibly for two years.

Amendment 3 will last for at least ten years.

Social media lit up with calls asking recreational members to contact Commissioner Posey to voice their displeasure.  I am sure some of you saw those posts.

Posey was put on the commission for one reason and one reason only, to vote the division's vote which is the administration's vote. Hendrickson was put on the commission to suck as much money as possible from the commercial fishing industry.

Posey is the tie-breaker between a vote for the resource and a vote for the commercial industry.

  • Posey gets his marching orders from the Division.
  • The Division gets its marching orders from Chief Deputy Secretary of NCDEQ- John Nicholson.
  • Nicholson gets his orders from Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Bryant.

If you have valid concerns that you would like to discuss with a Cooper administration official who is the position to facilitate change, Bryant is your man.

Stephen Bryant


If you don't get satisfaction with Bryant, think of all the money you're saving only having a 45-day flounder season and a one fish daily creel limit with some years closed. Take some of that future money and invest it in one or both of the best solutions for change-" rel="nofollow -" rel="nofollow -

...or sell your boat, tackle and place at the beach and take up golf.

DMF's past twenty-five year "management strategy" of commercial fishing attrition has failed. Gears are more efficient and the gillnet fisheries have become part-time with significant unreported landings. All of NC's highly destructive and unsustainable commercial gears are severely over-capitalized.  The Division's latest "management strategy" is collapse..."We'll have to do something then"...and NC commercials get 70% of the crumbs in a fishery that they solely are responsible for killing- from NC to Florida.

NC daily recreational angler creel limit-  1 fish

NC daily commercial creel limit-  unlimited

NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.

Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 04 March 2021 at 2:24pm
For you guys on the email list or those that hear it on social media...DO NOT LET UP!

Today's PR is highly misleading-

Dionne Delli-Gatti,

Secretary, DEQ 


John G. Batherson,

 Acting Division Director
Release: Immediate
Contact:" rel="nofollow - Patricia Smith Date: March 4, 2021
Phone: 252-726-7021

2021 recreational flounder season announced

MOREHEAD CITY – The 2021 recreational flounder season will open Aug. 16 and close Sept. 30 for internal and ocean waters of the state, as prescribed by Amendment 2 to the Southern Flounder Fishery Management Plan. Amendment 3 is currently underway and could impact the open season.

When the season opens, the minimum size limit will be 15 inches total length, and the creel limit will be four fish per person per day during the open recreational season. Since all species of flounder are managed under the same recreational regulations, the recreational season applies to all recreational flounder fishing.

The N.C Division of Marine Fisheries is currently developing Amendment 3 and is scheduled to seek public comment on the draft amendment this spring. The draft amendment includes options for commercial and recreational quotas, accountability measures for both sectors, commercial trip limits, recreational bag limits, regulations on the recreational use of commercial gear to harvest flounder, separating southern flounder from other flounder species in recreational management, evaluating inlet corridors as a management tool, and evaluating recreational and commercial slot limits.

Final adoption of draft Amendment 3 is scheduled for August 2021. If additional management measures are approved, the division will implement them as directed by the Marine Fisheries Commission, which may impact the 2021 season.

See what I bolded in red above-

We exceeded the 72% reduction in 2020 and we get four fish again?  No Way. We get 30% of the quota.  Of course when Amendment 3 passes, there will be another proclamation cutting us to one fish with the possibility of annual payback going forward.


NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.

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