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Topic: Is this the new face of welfare?
Posted By: Rick
Subject: Is this the new face of welfare?
Date Posted: 14 October 2019 at 5:38pm


http:////www.11alive.com/article/tech/science/environment/fishing-disaster-georgia/85-67857c39-83c7-4a48-b7e1-6ecc582083b0?fbclid=IwAR2KadTiPtRH4g_607GXlz4EkgBhLuYDNB4DlkCvRPWvNbfg6pB0Dm3FXmM" rel="nofollow - http:////www.11alive.com/article/tech/science/environment/fishing-disaster-georgia/85-67857c39-83c7-4a48-b7e1-6ecc582083b0?fbclid=IwAR2KadTiPtRH4g_607GXlz4EkgBhLuYDNB4DlkCvRPWvNbfg6pB0Dm3FXmM

Tell Georgia and SC that NC found their shrimp...




...and Virginia got a few also-

Last week, the "Capt. Ralph" hauled in 30,000 pounds, the most ever for the crew, said Ashley O'Neal, manager of O'Neal's Sea Harvest.

In the past, 12,000 pounds was a good catch no matter where it came from, he said.

"This 30,000-pound stuff is unheard of," O'Neal said. "We are seeing a lot of shrimp."

In 2016, North Carolina shrimpers harvested a record 13.2 million pounds, worth $28.2 million. It was a 45 percent increase over the previous year, according to state statistics. The record fell again in 2017 with a harvest of 13.9 million pounds worth $29.6 million. The 10-year average is just short of 8 million pounds. Most of the catch comes from estuaries like the Pamlico Sound.

http://www.pilotonline.com/news/environment/article_0b6fb260-15b8-11e9-8c60-7360d2689157.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.pilotonline.com/news/environment/article_0b6fb260-15b8-11e9-8c60-7360d2689157.html




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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.



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Posted By: chriselk
Date Posted: 14 October 2019 at 6:40pm
Rick,
Do you have any data on this years harvest?  I have no quantitative data, but have heard that the catch is down and the black gill disease is present.   Here is something explaining it, but dated:

https://www.jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2016-06-27/story/black-gill-disease-shows-early-georgia-shrimp" rel="nofollow - https://www.jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2016-06-27/story/black-gill-disease-shows-early-georgia-shrimp

I am happy that shrimpers have had two good years.  Much of that boom was that boats were catching mature shrimp in the ocean, just like SC, GA, and FL.  Those big shrimp are worth a lot more than "hair shrimp" caught inside, supporting the argument to move large trawlers outside, like ALL states from NC to TX.  VA, SC, GA and FL do  not allow trawling inside, regardless of size trawler.


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The above comments are my personal opinion and do not represent those of any organizations or agencies I may be a member of.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 14 October 2019 at 7:10pm
You’ll get 100% agreement from me that NC should stop trawling in it’s nursery areas, just like every other Atlantic and Gulf state has done.

If Southern flounder needs a multi state management plan- how about shrimp?

SC and Georgia protect their nursery areas to protect next year’s breeders. NC doesn’t. Just like flounder, spot and croaker, winds and tides determine who gets those offspring. Maybe NC benefited from Ga’s and SC’s conservation.   NC doesn’t return any favors except to those out-of-state trawlers working the nursery areas of the Pamlico Sound.

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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.


Posted By: chasintrout
Date Posted: 15 October 2019 at 3:40pm
That is shrimp coming from the Chesapeake bay. The climate is changing. Shrimp, along with other species of fish are moving north. Unheard of amounts of shrimp growing now in the Chesapeake bay. Not just white shrimp, brown shrimp too.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 15 October 2019 at 3:58pm
Originally posted by chasintrout chasintrout wrote:

That is shrimp coming from the Chesapeake bay. The climate is changing. Shrimp, along with other species of fish are moving north. Unheard of amounts of shrimp growing now in the Chesapeake bay. Not just white shrimp, brown shrimp too.
 

Exactly-

So why did Gov. Cooper give the big dealers/trawlers millions of dollars in Florence aid when the 2018 shrimp harvest was maybe not phenomenal by historical measurement given 2016 and 2017 landings, but a damn good one and within the top five in the last 18 years?

As I understand it- Capt Ralph referenced in the article above (linked again below) received over $100K in Florence Disaster Aid from the Governor...all while he seemed to of had a banner year-

 "Capt. Ralph" hauled in 30,000 pounds, the most ever for the crew, said Ashley O'Neal, manager of O'Neal's Sea Harvest.
http://www.pilotonline.com/news/environment/article_0b6fb260-15b8-11e9-8c60-7360d2689157.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.pilotonline.com/news/environment/article_0b6fb260-15b8-11e9-8c60-7360d2689157.html

Given the way that the 2018 Florence aid was calculated... average trip ticket landings from 2015, 2016 and 2017 compared to 2018 landings for the months of Sept, Oct and Nov...the shrimp guys got one hell of a windfall with that three year average as their base to calculate lost revenue in 2018.

Does that surprise anyone?

The big dealer/trawlers control fisheries politics.  It was nice of the Governor to pay back those political donations (with interestWink) with a little taxpayer assisted disaster relief.




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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.


Posted By: 23Mako
Date Posted: 15 October 2019 at 4:57pm
Originally posted by chasintrout chasintrout wrote:

That is shrimp coming from the Chesapeake bay. The climate is changing. Shrimp, along with other species of fish are moving north. Unheard of amounts of shrimp growing now in the Chesapeake bay. Not just white shrimp, brown shrimp too.


If that is the case then let's stop trawling in pamlico sound. I am sure the nice folks in Virginia will welcome you to trawl the Chesapeake with open arms!


Posted By: chasintrout
Date Posted: 15 October 2019 at 10:24pm
Rick......The monies paid out should have been done a different way. The factory trawlers can travel the coasts from va to Florida. The little boats can’t not to mention get in the ocean of the outer banks. It’s just not safe.
23Mako....not going to argue that the big steel/company boats should be restricted to just the ocean.


Posted By: todobien
Date Posted: 16 October 2019 at 8:42am
Chasin - once again the little guys are but the pawns used by the big guys to impress the politicos with the vote they can turn out. All the while the politicos get $$$ from the bigs and the bigs get protection and in this case kick backs from the politicos.



Posted By: TomM
Date Posted: 20 October 2019 at 6:00pm
Commercial season over yet🙏😩



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