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Topic: True Effort of Trawling- A Snapshot in Time
Posted By: Rick
Subject: True Effort of Trawling- A Snapshot in Time
Date Posted: 24 July 2018 at 11:52am
This will be an ongoing thread that I will update with additional information as I get time-

This morning, July 24, 2018, at 9:00am the screen shot below shows 23 fishing vessels (shrimp trawlers) actively or with recent activity within the past few hours in the Pamlico Sound.

All of these boats where running active AIS/MMSI Class B systems required on vessels 65-feet or greater in length.

There were certainly smaller vessels (less than 65-feet in length) not required to have a AIS/MMSI system that were also actively trawling the same waters.

The smallest of these 23 trawlers was 65-feet and the largest was 105-feet (which seems overly large and may be an error in the MMIS file).  All of these boats would be "four-bangers" pulling four nets for a combined headrope length of 220-feet per vessel. 


I will post an update later listing the individual 23 vessels.  The shot below shows the positions as of 9:00am-  The trawlers are beige icons.  Ferry boats are blue and green icons.



Below are two examples of info (recent track and vessel data)  that is available on one boat- the Bald Eagle II




Keep in mind that the NCDMF will measure Effort of these 23-vessels by TRIPs. One trip measured when the vessel leaves the dock and returns to the dock. 

Most of these large vessels leave the dock on Sunday morning, or afternoon, to be in position for the shotgun start at 5pm on Sunday and return to the dock on Friday before the temporary close of weekly shrimping at 5pm on Friday.  Most will be "at sea" for five days- one trip.

Let's look at true EFFORT-

...and that is giving the vessel a 12-hour day...which is very low.  Most of these vessels will trawl 15...18...to 20 hours per day.  True effort could be 30% to 66% more than my very conservative estimate.

Tracking a vessel for 24-hours will be part of the updated data to follow.

Below shows the track of the Bald Eagle 2 for almost a 18-hour period.  He hasn't rested yet?



Is true EFFORT for these vessels as few as 23 "TRIPS"...obviously not.

126,960 acres = 198 square miles which is the size of an area represented below- approximately a 10 x 20 mile rectangle.  

Not an inch of that bottom would be left "unplowed" in a weeks time...one week. 

The Pamlico Sound shrimp trawl season lasts for at least 15 to 20 weeks. 

The deeper waters of the Pamlico Sound will be swept clean of juvenile finfish, scattered oyster rocks, remaining SAV areas and leveled flat during that one summer/fall season.

 




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Posted By: willis1
Date Posted: 24 July 2018 at 2:38pm
This is a super clear and compelling analysis - very depressing too. Many thanks for doing this!


Posted By: Redfisher
Date Posted: 24 July 2018 at 2:44pm

Folks at the DMF are too lazy or stupid to look at it that way.  It is depressing.


Posted By: TomM
Date Posted: 24 July 2018 at 2:49pm
That sadly paints a perfect picture;


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 24 July 2018 at 4:44pm
At 4:30 PM, Tuesday, July 24th the update shows a few more boats with active AIS/MMSI versus the 23-vessels at 9:30 this morning-

Overall view-



Three of these "new vessels" have joined the Little Hobo and Jonathan Ryan in close quarter maneuvering with the Cedar Island to Ocracoke Ferry Silver Lake off Cedar Island, which is a great example of why the US Coast Guard should be stringently enforcing compliance of AIS/MMSI use by these big ocean going trawlers that could sink a ferry in a collision.

Past history suggests that some of these vessels are actively managing their AIS/MMSI transmissions to prevent tracking...a huge liability for the Coast Guard (if not actively engaged in enforcement) and the owner of the vessel...think criminal and civil.  You can't hide it after the fact once people die in a ferry collision- there will be track history, or lack of it, for anyone to find.

http://www.ncwaterman.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80210&KW=ais+mmsi&PID=652112&title=measuring-trawling-effort-ais-mmsi#652112" rel="nofollow - http://www.ncwaterman.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80210&KW=ais+mmsi&PID=652112&title=measuring-trawling-effort-ais-mmsi#652112


At 4:30 PM, Tuesday, July 24th the update shows four additional boats-

The Birdie P-  Here's a video link of this boat from a while back 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLl4GSZLqGU" rel="nofollow -


The Micah Bell...one of the boats used in the Industry Bycatch Reduction Study-



The Hannah Jae



...and McKenzie






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Posted By: chasintrout
Date Posted: 24 July 2018 at 6:03pm
That’s a very small fraction of the total bottom of Pamlico Sound being trawled. So small that there’s no way the trawlers are the reason for the demise of the trout croaker etc.


Posted By: 23Mako
Date Posted: 24 July 2018 at 6:07pm
That video is amazing. Thousands of dead fish and crabs.

I have a feeling you'll be seeing more of these cut off with Rick's research. How do we let this crap go on? Why wouldn't the shrimpers like a shorter more condensed season when there are more and bigger shrimp? Wouldn't that lower their overhead significantly? I understand you wouldn't have as long a time to make money, but that is a risk you take in an industry such as this.

I think it's also ridiculous that none of the studies really go deep into finding other ways to catch shrimp. It's just the same bullballyhoo with BRDs, when the main culprit is the trawl itself. You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig.

My apologies for hijacking the thread.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 24 July 2018 at 6:10pm
Here is a video of a 21-bottom plow and the rig it takes to pull it-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcXEOjdjJP4" rel="nofollow -

A 21-bottom plow will till approximately 32-feet of ground in one pass at an 18" width of cut per plow.

It would take SEVEN of these tractors side-by-side to "plow" the same amount of Pamlico Sound bottom that ONE of the trawlers pulling four nets "plow" in one pass.

This
equals SEVEN of these side by side-



"We're just plowing the bottom.  It's good for the Sound!"


Try putting 161 of those tractors on the Pamlico Sound bottom this morning to equal the twenty-three shrimp trawlers.



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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 24 July 2018 at 6:12pm
Originally posted by chasintrout chasintrout wrote:

That’s a very small fraction of the total bottom of Pamlico Sound being trawled. So small that there’s no way the trawlers are the reason for the demise of the trout croaker etc.

Soon you'll see that if you post false or misleading statements, a single photo will refute your words 10,000-fold.

I'll try to get on that tonight.


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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.


Posted By: TomM
Date Posted: 24 July 2018 at 6:50pm
Including everything 1.5 million acres. Prime nursery I’m guessing 500K. Doable in less than 5 weeks😩


Posted By: marker39
Date Posted: 24 July 2018 at 7:10pm
Having once spent a year of my life on the wrong end of a 75 foot wooden carolina trawler, I can tell you that chasintrout is full of it.

The bycatch was horrendous.

And the amount didn't change much was we moved through NC, SC, GA and FLA.

Only the makeup.

And this was ocean only trawling!!

BW #2


Posted By: Stump1187
Date Posted: 24 July 2018 at 9:05pm
Originally posted by chasintrout chasintrout wrote:

That’s a very small fraction of the total bottom of Pamlico Sound being trawled. So small that there’s no way the trawlers are the reason for the demise of the trout croaker etc.

Someone get this guy a helmet....

Have you ever seen one picture of by-catch on one of these boats? You don't even need to see it with your own eyes like I have.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 24 July 2018 at 10:01pm
Let's use Global Fishing Watch to look at 2017 Effort in the Pamlico Sound.

Keep in mind that GFW uses an algorithm to track "fishing activity".   Each dot is a single plot in a fishing track, but the dots can be well spaced out.  You don't see a track line (Fishing Effort) until you click on a dot.  You'll see below.

The photos below ONLY represent effort by vessels >65-feet that were actively transmitting under federal rules for AIS/MMSI requirements-

May


May and June

May+June+July



May+June+July+August

May+June+July+Aug+Sept

May+June+July+Aug+Sept+Oct

June+July+Aug+Sept+Oct+Nov (May dropped)


November 2017 Only Effort

...and the boats had moved out of the Pamlico to the beach in December (Dec-17 and Jan-18)

Below is an example of a track if you click on one dot-

December and January (two months) for the Capt Ralph



Below is an example if you enter a date range and a vessel's MMSI #
You can see that in December and January that the Jonathan Ryan trawled off Cape Lookout and Cape Hatteras, headed to Hampton Roads for a refit and then went to the winter Northeast fluke and/or scallop fisheries.




Is there any doubt what has happened to our spot, croaker, weakfish (gray trout), blue crab, southern flounder, summer flounder, our deep water oyster rocks, our SAV beds....our coastal fishing economies...







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Posted By: FLOUDERMN
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 7:24am
They all don't tow 220ft of headrope it takes tremendous power to pull 4 55ft nets and all those boats you see don't have that kind of power alot do but alot don't either.So your numbers are no where near correct.

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18 PRIVATEER 26ft Willis Harkers Island 27ft Broadwater                 commercial fishing support it or import it


Posted By: chriselk
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 7:30am
Yes not all boats pull 220 feet of head rope, many are less than 65 feet long, and not requiring AIS.

So yes those numbers underestimate effort as opposed to overestimating effort, since only those vessels with AIS and have them turned on are measured.  

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The above comments are my personal opinion and do not represent those of any organizations or agencies I may be a member of.


Posted By: FLOUDERMN
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 7:32am
Originally posted by marker39 marker39 wrote:

Having once spent a year of my life on the wrong end of a 75 foot wooden carolina trawler, I can tell you that chasintrout is full of it.

The bycatch was horrendous.

And the amount didn't change much was we moved through NC, SC, GA and FLA.

Only the makeup.

And this was ocean only trawling!!

BW #2
And back then turtle shooters and fish excluders weren't being used!!right or wrong?

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18 PRIVATEER 26ft Willis Harkers Island 27ft Broadwater                 commercial fishing support it or import it


Posted By: FLOUDERMN
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 7:35am
Originally posted by chriselk chriselk wrote:

Yes not all boats pull 220 feet of head rope, many are less than 65 feet long, and not requiring AIS.

So yes those numbers underestimate effort as opposed to overestimating effort, since only those vessels with AIS and have them turned on are measured.  
Chris there's 80ft steel trawlers that can't tow 4 55ft nets for lack of power so your anything over 65ft tows 4 55ft nets is falseWink

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18 PRIVATEER 26ft Willis Harkers Island 27ft Broadwater                 commercial fishing support it or import it


Posted By: FLOUDERMN
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 7:41am
None of you boys math will work ya'll don't know each and every boats headrope length that shrimps our sounds therefore you can't come close,the average joe see ya'lls math and believe it just as some of ya'll believe it.PitifulWacko

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18 PRIVATEER 26ft Willis Harkers Island 27ft Broadwater                 commercial fishing support it or import it


Posted By: cwilli
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 8:15am
FM,
You are arguing about the minute details.
The magnitude of the data is overwhelming and sad.
Even if EVERY boat does NOT pull 4x55 or boats under 65ft are NOT represented in the data, it shows the intensity of effort as well as breath in a defined area. Even if the data presented is only 95 or 90% accurate, it is bringing light to the destruction of habitat occurring in our sounds. Year...after year...after year. Sure hate when technology provides data that cannot be disputed, since it's coming straight from the boat themselves.


Posted By: Ray Brown
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 8:17am
Floudermn... we may not know what each boat pulls in waters west of the inlets in NC. I grant you that, but we do know this.

In other east coast states they pull zero in most waters west of the inlets (demarcation line, to be specific) and in the Gulf states no more than 50 feet of head rope per boat

Why? But most of all to so many North Carolinians, why do NC waters have to bear such intense activity and juvenile finfish bycatch mortality when no other state allows it?

If you wish to call Pamlico Sound an inland sea as some bizarre justification then I will show you a bigger one called Chesapeake bay where shrimp live and no trawls are allowed.

Going back to when the late William Clark of Belhaven took aerial photos of trawls working in Pamlico sound to Rick's latest work we have known what is happening. The DMF has reported the carnage through studies time after time. Former director Louis Daniel publicly stated while at the reins that NC was not protecting all of her known nurseries.

So why does it continue? No one has tried to stop it at the MFC or legislative level.

With all this data no MFC has ever made a motion to stop trawling in the secondary nursery for gray trout in Pamlico sound.

No MFC has ever voted, win or lose, to put a season on Pamlico sound for trawling. It still doesn't have one nor a minimum size limit on shrimp.

We can blame the DMF, senior staff, or legislators from Raleigh, but until a MFC is a force for stopping this in NC it will go on.

Many current and former MFC members are friends of mine, but all have failed to use the commission on which they serve or served to clean it up. I am too old to worry about their feelings over this.   You guys, and gals, tolerated it or else you would have done something about it because no issue in NC fishery management has science crying for change more than this one issue.

Do something!

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Shrimp trawling never stops in Pamlico Sound. It just pauses on the weekend so crabs can remove the dead and dying from the battlefield.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 9:00am

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/11/592802471/fishing-boats-going-dark-raise-suspicion-of-illegal-catches-report-says" rel="nofollow - http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/11/592802471/fishing-boats-going-dark-raise-suspicion-of-illegal-catches-report-says

Fishing Boats 'Going Dark' Raise Suspicion Of Illegal Catches, Report Says

A new report raises concerns that when fishing vessels "go dark" by switching off electronic tracking devices, in many cases they are doing so to mask the taking of illegal catches in protected marine parks and restricted national waters.

In the http://usa.oceana.org/publications/reports/avoiding-detection-global-case-studies-possible-ais-avoidance" rel="nofollow - - Oceana , an international conservation group, authors Lacey Malarky and Beth Lowell document incidents of fishing vessels that disappear from computer screens as they shut off collision-avoidance beacons near restricted areas, only to have them reappear days or weeks later back in legal fishing grounds.

"This practice of vessels going dark is really widespread on a global scale," Malarky tells NPR.

Malarky and Lowell used Global Fishing Watch, which aggregates https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/?pageName=AISworks" rel="nofollow - - Vessel Management System , or VMS, is not available to the public but is used by countries to monitor their fishing fleets. However, "some countries can't afford it — developing countries like those in West Africa," Malarky says. "So, a lot of developing countries rely on AIS to monitor their fishing fleet."

AIS has been around for about 20 years and is designed to give valuable information about a vessel — including its type and size, location, course and speed — to other vessels to help avoid collisions at sea. The International Maritime Organization http://www.imo.org/en/OurWork/safety/navigation/pages/ais.aspx" rel="nofollow -

-- The Panamanian-flagged https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:409696/mmsi:352419000/imo:8102892/vessel:TIUNA" rel="nofollow - - purse seiner that failed to transmit an AIS signal for 15 days while operating near the https://www.nationalgeographic.org/news/case-study-galapagos-marine-reserve/" rel="nofollow - - longliner , https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:304717/mmsi:503000087/imo:9188960/vessel:CORINTHIAN_BAY" rel="nofollow - - Heard Island and McDonald Islands Marine Reserve .

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AIS tracks of Corinthian Bay.

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-- https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:167561/mmsi:224580000/imo:8109620/vessel:EGALUZE" rel="nofollow -

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AIS track of Egaluze.

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-- The Spanish-flagged https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:167868/mmsi:224706000/imo:8733378/vessel:RELEIXO" rel="nofollow - - trawler , whose AIS signal disappeared repeatedly over a six-month period near the maritime border of Senegal and Gambia.

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The European Commission and the Spanish government have opened investigations into the cases spotlighted by Oceana, Malarky tells NPR. "It's an unprecedented step for the EU in terms of AIS non-compliance."

"What they are going to do is cross-check" the blanks in the AIS picture against VMS "to see if maybe they were fishing where they weren't supposed to be."

She says these individual incidents only serve to draw attention to what Oceana believes is a much larger problem.

"We really wanted to highlight these cases of vessels in suspicious areas where they are turning off their AIS, like no-take marine protected areas where commercial fishing is prohibited [and in] developing countries' waters, where [those countries] may not have effective monitoring and control policies in place," she says.

The report's authors recommend that governments require vessels flying their flag be required to notify authorities when they turn off AIS, giving the reason.

Right now, Malarky says, "there's no public accountability" for suspicious behavior and that by requiring vessels to explain why they may have turned off AIS, authorities would be able to better monitor what is going on.

"When we find these instances in suspicious locations, we need to be able to cross-check and say, 'this vessel was concerned about this' and not doing anything illegal," she says.



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Posted By: kshivar
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 9:10am
Amen Ray! We had not heard from Chasin lately. I guess he was working up something ridiculous to say. And he did.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 9:31am
Originally posted by FLOUDERMN FLOUDERMN wrote:

They all don't tow 220ft of headrope it takes tremendous power to pull 4 55ft nets and all those boats you see don't have that kind of power alot do but alot don't either.So your numbers are no where near correct.


Let me know which of these 29 boats that are actively running AIS/MMSI and trawling the Pamlico Sound within the last 24-hours don't have the power to pull four 55-foot nets... standing by...

Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zip Code Effective Date Expiration Date MMSI# Length Feet  
604116 CAPT ALEX SPA WILLIAMS, LEE BLAND PO BOX 306 SWANQUARTER NC 27885-0306 6/1/2018 5/31/2019 367730490 79  
617732 JONATHAN RYAN SPA TRAWLER JONATHAN RYAN CO LLC PO BOX 3321 NEW BERN NC 28564-3321 9/28/2017 8/31/2018 367478370 75  
547960 LITTLE HOBO SPA LEWIS, MARK STEVEN 971 PIGOTT RD GLOUCESTER NC 28528-9368 4/11/2018 1/31/2019 367769820 69  
623905 CAPT JEFF SPA TRAWLERS GARLAND AND JEFF INC PO BOX 306 SWANQUARTER NC 27885-0306 8/7/2017 7/31/2018 366983090 69  
1121658 CAPTAIN DAMIEN SPA MISS MARILYN LOUISE INC 4061 STARRATT RD JACKSONVILLE FL 32226-1331 2/1/2018 1/31/2019 366838960 85  
1122566 LILLIE BELLE (Capt Carl) SPA G & C SCALLOP FISHERIES INC PO BOX 250 ORIENTAL NC 28571-0250 6/18/2018 12/31/2019 367120750 72  
634816 CAPT PHILLIPS SPA PHILLIPS, JAMES CLYDE PO BOX 891 SWANSBORO NC 28584-0891 2/9/2018 12/31/2018 367457370 66  
1040383 BRIDGOT DENISE SPA ESTHER JOY INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 2/5/2018 1/31/2019 367468260 78  
909599 MISS KAYDEN SPA MISS KAYDEN LLC 990 CALLISON RD ORIENTAL NC 28571-1300 10/1/2017 9/30/2018 367669840 75  
546654 CAPT NATHAN SPA WILLIAMS, LEE BLAND PO BOX 306 SWANQUARTER NC 27885-0306 6/1/2018 5/31/2019 367730460 79  
1038900 BALD EAGLE II SPA FISHERMANS WHARF FILET INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 1/5/2018 12/31/2018 366920560 79  
1091811 CHASITY BROOKE SPA CHASITY BROOKE LLC PO BOX 250 ORIENTAL NC 28571-0250 2/1/2018 1/31/2019 367705010 105  
571255 CAPT RALPH SPA ROANOKE FISH COMPANY INC 5897 US HIGHWAY 64 MANNS HARBOR NC 27953-9442 11/1/2017 10/31/2018 367143030 74  
689213 SHAWNA LUCILLE SPA TLG TRAWLERS INC 10871 GA HIGHWAY 99 DARIEN GA 31305-3435 5/24/2017 8/31/2018 368000070 66  
1026244 PACIFICS SPA DELORES OF WANCHESE INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 4/1/2018 3/31/2019 367020610 74  
1060577 LADY SAMAIRA SPA WILLIAMS, SAMMIE EUGENE 200 MAIN ST SWANQUARTER NC 27885-9700 6/26/2018 4/30/2019 367172110 79  
606639 PALMETTO PRIDE SPA REAVES, CAMERON LATEN 17 QUAIL RIDGE CIR N BEAUFORT SC 29906-9027 1/25/2018 12/31/2018 338230346 66  
917630 LADY KIMBERLY SPA PITTMAN, KENNETH RAY SR 314 ROYAL RD BEAUFORT NC 28516-6572 1/9/2018 7/31/2018 367435910 69  
1069510 MCKENZIE SPA TRAWLER NEW HOPE INC PO BOX 100 HOBUCKEN NC 28537-0100 8/1/2017 8/31/2018 366973860 77  
1029895 BIRDIE P SPA TRAWLER CAPT ALFRED INC PO BOX 100 HOBUCKEN NC 28537-0100 7/1/2018 6/30/2019 367107940 78  
1056576 MICAH BELL SPA CAPT GASTON LLC PO BOX 3321 NEW BERN NC 28564-3321 8/1/2017 7/31/2018 367521460 79  
615409 HANNAH JAE SPA WHITE, GEORGE EDWARD III 8 CRYSTAL ST SEABROOK SC 29940-3604 1/1/2018 12/31/2018 338199694 66  
615565 MISS KIRK SPA MISS KIRK INC 105 SWEETBRIAR RD WASHINGTON NC 27889-9229 4/1/2018 3/31/2019 367148930 78  
  Capt Lee                 7933725 74  
  Wanda Gail                 368004960 66  
  Lillie Jane                 368008560 66  
  Capt Vern                 367728060 66  
  Lady Madison                 367790550 95  
  Sheila Rene                 367095140 78  
                      75.2 Average


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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 9:52am
A few of the actual twenty-nine boats above that ranged in size from 66-feet to 105-feet with the average being 75-feet are shown below. 

Why does North Carolina allow what no other state on the Atlantic or Gulf coasts allow!

























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Posted By: Ray Brown
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 10:05am
7 of those 29 are boats that can not trawl inland waters of their home states who have an Atlantic coast.  On the Gulf side of Florida they can pull 50' inside.

That is nearly 25% of the known current working fleet in sovereign NC waters.   Interstate commerce rules allow boats to traverse from state to state, but don't guarantee them harvest access to the sovereign waters of any state.


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Shrimp trawling never stops in Pamlico Sound. It just pauses on the weekend so crabs can remove the dead and dying from the battlefield.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 10:34am
You can see the 2017 Effort above in the photos......

Below are the actual estuarine waters ONLY landings by vessel size (In-State and Out-of-State) for 2017-

It is blatantly obvious that the DMF's method of measuring EFFORT by "trips" and failure to document headrope length on trip tickets is vastly understating true effort.

Effort is strongly correlated with catch to the point you can use one to represent the other.

Most of the effort by far is in the bigger boats and that is not captured by counting trips at all.

Why has that happened? 

Why does NCDMF intentionally mislead the public, the legislature and other state and federal agencies and commissions with the story that shrimp trawl EFFORT is down 70%?


“Shrimp trawling effort is down. I don’t know by how much. We have to look at the trips. We have to look at the length of the trips. Number of trips are down 75%.  NCDMF August 2013 MFC Meeting

"...bycatch has gone down with a 70 percent reduction in effort."  NCDMF ASMFC Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission South Atlantic State/Federal Fisheries Manage Board, February- 2014


Effort appears to be rising based on landings data







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Posted By: BaitWaster
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 11:15am
"The deeper waters of the Pamlico Sound will be swept clean of juvenile finfish, scattered oyster rocks, remaining SAV areas and leveled flat during that one summer/fall season."

But yet your extrapolations assume a pound of shrimp has the same weight and composition of bycatch/bykill at the beginning, middle and end of the season. Hardly expected if swept clean.

I asked a DMF employee who works with the shrimping industry if there was less bycatch at the end of the season or if multiple passes are made in the same area.  He said it is completely unpredictable.  Sometimes less, sometimes more.

And you need to adjust your extrapolations for when the nets are hauled back out of the water.


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I'm not here for a long time, but I'm here for a good time.

The days that I keep my gratitude higher than my expectations
Well, I have really good days - Ray Wylie


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 11:35am
Bernie- I couldn't get any takers, but I was giving $100 to $1 odds this post would pull you out of retirement.

Status quo....

Deflection.

Troll

Please don't anyone bite that hook.  Let's don't derail this thread by indulging Bernie's needs.

Thanks


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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.


Posted By: Ray Brown
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 12:02pm
Bernie.....Pamlico sound is populated with spot, croaker, and gray trout all summer because each is a spawner in the ocean or in the case of gray trout they are batch spawners just inside, in, or just outside the inlets in warm months.  Pamlico Sound is populated by these three species by specimens born outside it for the most part, thus a constant flow of juveniles thanks to wind and tide all summer is a constant event.  The DMF has said this and reported this for years so seeing juvenile fish all summer proves their point.   The late Dr. Jonathan Miller form NCSU identified this in his many studies on lagoons and how they are populated by certain species from outside the lagoon itself.

It is also one of the reasons of the misconception that some spot never grow up because the old timers saw two finger spot in May and again in October.  That's because they are being born all summer and entering the sound all summer from the ocean.

I mean...how obvious is this when you find this on the web???
Life cycle: Atlantic croaker mature between ages 2 and 3 and spawn offshore over a protracted period which usually peaks in October. Eggs and newly-hatched larvae drift toward land, and later, as juvenile fish, swim into estuarine nursery areas where they remain until the next fall when they migrate into open waters.

http://portal.ncdenr.org/web/mf/croaker" rel="nofollow -
portal.ncdenr.org/web/mf/croaker



So Rick is right and to an extent you are right.

The sound is being swept clean all summer of juvenile spot and croaker, but all those egg layers in the ocean keep replenishing all summer.  Can you imagine what would happen if only 10% of a summers mortality got to be adults?  Heck, it would be like old times in a short period of time.

In five years you would know because the life expectancy of spot and croaker is only about 5 years for spot and 8 years for croaker.  

If we stopped inland trawling right now then by 2025 we should have definitive answers on this once and for all unless you consider what Virginia says about stopping trawling in Chesapeake Bay back in the late '60's.   If you take their knowledge then we already know what would happen and we know why they no longer allow trawling in their waters for anything.

And BTW.....a former member of the MFC sent me a note and a link this morning after reading this thread....I got a kick out of it because I know it is true.

"Ray is correct about the power of the MFC, I did not know it either before, but I do know now!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFuxpphnN0k" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFuxpphnN0k


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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 12:40pm
for you numbers guys the tables below are interesting-

"all gears" include pots, castnets, channel nets, etc-




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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 1:11pm
...and other interesting data for you numbers guys to cipher on-


There were 411 unique addresses for commercial licensees with reported estuarine shrimp trip ticket landings (8,803,613 pounds) from trawling.

72% of those landings came from 53 "entities". 
46% of those landings came from 23 "entities".

39% of the TRIPS account for 84% of the landings...WOW! 

29% of the TRIPS account for 11% of the landings.

33% of the TRIPS account for 5% of the landings.

Let's look at that 5%-
452,070 pounds worth $820,662 on 1586 trips by 219 "entities"
  • $3747 per entity
  • $517 per trip

We're really protecting the "small guys" with current management! Wink  ...so they can make $1.82 gross revenue per pound of shrimp (before expenses) and the large handful of dealers get to "add value" and make the real profits...to buy influence. 

Dealers are the owners of the big boats that account for 73% of the landings.  Crash the price of shrimp so that the crews on the big boats make less $/share of the landings.  Crash the price of shrimp so they buy cheap shrimp from the small boats.  Write off any shrimp losses on the big boat and make profit at the dealer level.  Keep the crews on the big boats happy enough and poor enough to keep them together for the highly lucrative Northeast fluke and scallop fisheries.





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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.


Posted By: BaitWaster
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 6:21pm
Originally posted by Rick Rick wrote:

Bernie- I couldn't get any takers, but I was giving $100 to $1 odds this post would pull you out of retirement.

Status quo....

Deflection.

Troll

Please don't anyone bite that hook.  Let's don't derail this thread by indulging Bernie's needs.

Thanks

And I would have taken much, much smaller odds that when I posted,  you would take credit for pulling "me out of retirement." LOL

I do pop in every week or two to read and see who has made your enemies list as that continues to grow.  Apparently being in the MFC scientist seat, now Mike Wicker and Pete Kornegay are on the list. Wink

So that's all you've got?  Nothing in my post even hints at status quo, trolling or deflection.  Derail the thread?  Wacko  Commenting directly on your post and adding to the discussion tho apparently my post is somehow threatening. Question

A comment, correction, defense would have been nice, tho, as I've learned, is not expected.  

I can appreciate the time (especially), effort and data collection you have done to make your case and it is very impressive, but as Sgt Hulks said in Stripes, "Lighten up Francis." 

Thicken up your skin and defend your case when someone asks a question or quibbles. 

Speculation, but I suspect your free-fire approach to anyone who disagrees with you will not serve you and others in agreement well when making a case to those in a position to effect change.

If you can't respond to my observations with nothing more than ad hominums, as we used to say two decades ago on the MoWire, Bite Me.  LOL


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I'm not here for a long time, but I'm here for a good time.

The days that I keep my gratitude higher than my expectations
Well, I have really good days - Ray Wylie


Posted By: cnaff
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 7:09pm
I believe it's safe to say that we all, at heart, must be torn up with angst about how you would take Rick's ad hominem attack upon your virtuous being. I am filled with jubilation to see that you have borne-up. I think it may be the surprise of your entrance; and you hadn't been espied by the regulars on the board for some tedious while, and a couple of us even felt you might have given up on us in your quest for legitimate discussions on piscean recruitment with an eye to funneling those fish where you get the most good, while the faithful here are still mucked in the idea that the other 99.999% might get a shot to enjoy the fish before y'all get your price tag on them, but, as little as I know about fish, it appears, from the earnest stories and laments of thousands of people, that you got em and tagged em. I know I can't be qualified to apologize for Rick, who seems to maintain an utterly civil deportment no matter what kind of creep (I mean myself) chimes in, so it is with horror that I had to read his repartee, that has so bollixed your aura of joie de vivre. At least your missive receives a response. Mine have the tendency to cloy and ruin most any thread to silence. At least the heavies that really could wipe the floor with your cheerful schmuck are here for you and I certainly believe you bring a brighter hue to the proceedings than we had without you. Welcome back.

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Posted By: BaitWaster
Date Posted: 25 July 2018 at 10:20pm
Whatever, cnaff.  Perhaps Rick will use the comments by flounderman & me to tune up his data/observations & conclusions. 

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I'm not here for a long time, but I'm here for a good time.

The days that I keep my gratitude higher than my expectations
Well, I have really good days - Ray Wylie


Posted By: ryan
Date Posted: 26 July 2018 at 10:15am
From the last numbers that were posted, we are caching 2-3 times the amount of shrimp that we were 4-5 years ago with relatively the same number of trips.....so are we over fishing the shrimp or not?  It seems that bycatch is still relatively the same as well.  It would seem to make more sense that each year the bycatch would be greatly reduced if they were pulling that many out each previous year due to the lowered numbers each year.  With your reasoning on this there should be no juvenile fish left in the Pamlico sound, but there are, with still large numbers being reported every year as bycatch.  I agree that something needs to be done about the bycatch and the industry is trying and implementing many gear modifications to do so.  Keep hearing the sky is falling, but total catch has almost tripled.  We hear the same thing with the flounder, but this year has been the best year for flounder in SE NC that most can remember.  Numbers can be skewed to fit whatever the agenda and prove just about anything, so don't believe the old adage"That numbers don't lie."


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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 26 July 2018 at 10:20am

Originally posted by BaitWaster BaitWaster wrote:

Whatever, cnaff.  Perhaps Rick will use the comments by flounderman & me to tune up his data/observations & conclusions. 

Egotism is the anesthetic which nature gives us to deaden the pain of being a fool. Dr. Herbert Shofield


Bernie-  I'll more than welcome the opportunity to review your research and data analysis when provided and incorporate when valid.

As I've told you in the past, I'm not here to debate...and certainly not here to quibble which is exactly what this point was  "And you need to adjust your extrapolations for when the nets are hauled back out of the water." 

My extrapolations are very conservative at 12-hours, possibly underestimating hours trawled in a day by 30% to 60%.  As pointed out- not all boats are running AIS/MMSI transmissions.  Some boats that are required to transmit are "dark". 

Your post is a Deflection, de-ja-vu your past posts on bycatch- "but we don't know the denominator".

You're trolling.  If Chuck hadn't removed your moderator authority you'd be editing and deleting my posts again.

For those reading this, I apologize. Yes- I'm testy, which I personally don't like.  This fight is never ending.  We have gained little in almost six years of resource positive MFC appointments.  What we gained, we mostly lost to lawsuits.  The conservation/resource sector tries to play within the system.  At times it has been both madding and mind-numbing trying to think outside the box and develop comfort to risk.  There is ample low-hanging fruit that will produce immediate gains, possibly leaps and bounds towards sustainability, that somehow continues to slip away from the MFC.  I'd love to have the hours back that I have spent trying to let light perform it's job of being the best of disinfectants.  NCDMF staff should be including much of this "light shedding" data annually as part of multiple FMPs, stock assessments, CHPP requirements, etc.  We must remove "political science" as the driving force behind fisheries management in NC.  We must clean house at DMF removing biased senior staff.  The public must demand action from our politicians and "vote them out" every election if "they" are not supporting sustainable fisheries management- lip service and lipstick on pigs doesn't count.  That is why I will continue to shed the light on management disgraces and work diligently in the dark on politics.  I am very lucky to have many great friends and mentors that I have met in almost twenty years of fighting this battle with them, particularly those in the last six years that have been in the trenches....and 99.9% with no vested economic interest in reform.  It has been a fight of the heart for what is right.  I hope to sit down at a true round table one day with my friends and past enemies to review progress that confirms sustainable fisheries float all boats.  Sadly, some of us will go to our graves fighting this battle- if we don't lose our minds first.  If you have the time, get more involved- the resource needs you...we need you.  My rant for the year.  Thank you. 












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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 26 July 2018 at 10:33am
Originally posted by ryan ryan wrote:

From the last numbers that were posted, we are caching 2-3 times the amount of shrimp that we were 4-5 years ago with relatively the same number of trips.....so are we over fishing the shrimp or not? 

Shrimp is an annual crop.  It's possible that the recent winter fisheries (2016 and 2017) did hurt the population and anecdotal landings data in 2018 may turn into fact.  Regardless, shrimp can rebound and will...it's an annual crop.  Research morning doves and you'll understand why we have such high bag limits versus say ducks.


It seems that bycatch is still relatively the same as well. 

Unclear on what data you are using to make this assumption.

It would seem to make more sense that each year the bycatch would be greatly reduced if they were pulling that many out each previous year due to the lowered numbers each year.  With your reasoning on this there should be no juvenile fish left in the Pamlico sound, but there are, with still large numbers being reported every year as bycatch. 

Spot, croaker and weakfish are prolific batch spawners.  They produce a lot of eggs and therefore a lot of juveniles which become bycatch.  The problem is recruitment.  Those juveniles have a problem becoming adults when they die in a trawl net.  There is plenty of data that shows there is problem with the adult populations.  Weakfish stock has collapsed. Spot and croaker landings are at historical lows.  All three have truncated age structures.


I agree that something needs to be done about the bycatch and the industry is trying and implementing many gear modifications to do so.  Keep hearing the sky is falling, but total catch has almost tripled.  We hear the same thing with the flounder, but this year has been the best year for flounder in SE NC that most can remember.  Numbers can be skewed to fit whatever the agenda and prove just about anything, so don't believe the old adage"That numbers don't lie."

Why has this year been the best year on flounder?  What changed?  Did implementing a 15" uniform size limit contribute?  Did reduced gillnet effort during the mesh change tied to the 15" uniform size limit help?  Did a flushing of the estuary with Hurricane Mathew help?  Did that escapement due to Mathew put additional spawners in the ocean? Did juveniles escape to grow? 

If you're implying that nothing is wrong with Southern flounder, you don't understand and need to spend the time doing a little research.



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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.


Posted By: ryan
Date Posted: 26 July 2018 at 2:11pm
Just tired of hearing the sky is falling!!!

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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 26 July 2018 at 2:27pm
Originally posted by ryan ryan wrote:

Just tired of hearing the sky is falling!!!

A piece already has-  a piece that was once a bright shining economic driver in the late spring through early fall for places like Cedar Island, Merrimon, Hobucken, Vanderemere, Swanquarter, Engelhard, Whortonville.  Gray trout helped support boat builders- and dealers of which almost every small town in Eastern NC had at least one if not two or three.  Ramp parking lots were full- many private for-pay use with many having small motels and campgrounds that made money as did local restaurants. Grandparents, children and grandchildren spent many an hour enjoying each other's company while slightly jigging a little piece of metal in deep holes and channels of the Pamlico Sound.  Lifetime friends were made from meeting a friend of a friend that came on a trip.

If we had honest data and assessments coming from DMF staff, the reason that piece of sky fell would fall squarely on the backs of past Marine Fisheries Commissions and on several key members of senior staff still driving policy today at NCDMF.  Today, that staff and policy allow unsustainable shrimp trawling in the undesignated primary and secondary nursery areas for gray trout- weakfish.  Senior DMF staff with bias to support commercial harvest at any cost is fighting tooth-n-nail against all efforts to properly designate NC's economically important nursery areas.

Why?



...and the data below in no shape or form accounts for the millions of fish killed annually as juvenile discards in the Southeast shrimp trawl fishery.  If it did, it would surely be the single largest source of mortality in NC and possibility coastwide for the Weakfish stock- just as the ASMFC recently admitted is the case for Spot and Atlantic Croaker


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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.


Posted By: Redfisher
Date Posted: 26 July 2018 at 2:47pm

Well, boo-hoo!!!


Posted By: BaitWaster
Date Posted: 26 July 2018 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by Rick Rick wrote:


Egotism is the anesthetic which nature gives us to deaden the pain of being a fool. Dr. Herbert Shofield

So apply egotism to me?LOL   Fecking "BaitWaster? "  Look in the mirror Skippy
Originally posted by Rick Rick wrote:


As I've told you in the past, I'm not here to debate...

Not debating just pointing out an oversight in your extrapolation. 
Originally posted by Rick Rick wrote:

You're trolling.  If Chuck hadn't removed your moderator authority you'd be editing and deleting my posts again

Complete and utter bovine feces.Angry  About the only moderation I did was purging non-fishing comments on the Fishing Report forum which has died on the vine.
 
Originally posted by Rick Rick wrote:

For those reading this, I apologize. Yes- I'm testy, which I personally don't like.  This fight is never ending.  We have gained little in almost six years of resource positive MFC appointments.  What we gained, we mostly lost to lawsuits.  The conservation/resource sector tries to play within the system.  At times it has been both madding and mind-numbing trying to think outside the box and develop comfort to risk.  There is ample low-hanging fruit that will produce immediate gains, possibly leaps and bounds towards sustainability, that somehow continues to slip away from the MFC.  I'd love to have the hours back that I have spent trying to let light perform it's job of being the best of disinfectants.  NCDMF staff should be including much of this "light shedding" data annually as part of multiple FMPs, stock assessments, CHPP requirements, etc.  We must remove "political science" as the driving force behind fisheries management in NC.  We must clean house at DMF removing biased senior staff.  The public must demand action from our politicians and "vote them out" every election if "they" are not supporting sustainable fisheries management- lip service and lipstick on pigs doesn't count.  That is why I will continue to shed the light on management disgraces and work diligently in the dark on politics.  I am very lucky to have many great friends and mentors that I have met in almost twenty years of fighting this battle with them, particularly those in the last six years that have been in the trenches....and 99.9% with no vested economic interest in reform.  It has been a fight of the heart for what is right.  I hope to sit down at a true round table one day with my friends and past enemies to review progress that confirms sustainable fisheries float all boats.  Sadly, some of us will go to our graves fighting this battle- if we don't lose our minds first.  If you have the time, get more involved- the resource needs you...we need you.  My rant for the year.  Thank you.
Originally posted by Redfisher Redfisher wrote:


Well, boo-hoo!!!
Cool

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I'm not here for a long time, but I'm here for a good time.

The days that I keep my gratitude higher than my expectations
Well, I have really good days - Ray Wylie


Posted By: Redfisher
Date Posted: 26 July 2018 at 4:29pm

I wasn't boo-hooing Rick.  My comment was meant for Ryan.

Just wanted to clear that up.Censored


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 26 July 2018 at 6:15pm

Everybody getting the picture!  These guys can't follow the rules.  Tragedy of the Commons.  Get mine.  Getting caught is rare.  State penalties...just a cost of doing business.

Federal EEZ and Lacey Act violations-  what a surprise for some!  Several of the vessels shown above were involved and convicted less than one year ago of illegal striped bass trawling off NC.

Our office is pleased to partner with the Environment and Natural Resources Division of the Department of Justice in these significant cases,” said U.S. Attorney John Stuart Bruce for the Eastern District of North Carolina.  “These prosecutions make clear that efforts to circumvent laws regulating commercial fishing -- which are implemented to sustain the species for the benefit of future generations -- will be enforced vigorously.”

So how do these convictions affect the owner of the SCFL and the vessel permit under "vigorous" enforcement of statue and rule controlled by NCDMF?


http://www.ncwaterman.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79914&KW=craddock&PID=649391&title=rockfish-case#649391" rel="nofollow -
I've been tracking the Capt Ralph (Ralph Craddock) and the Lady Samaira (Ellis Leon Gibbs) in the Pamlico Sound this week- 

http://www.justice.gov/usao-ednc/pr/north-carolina-commercial-fisherman-pleads-guilty-illegally-harvesting-and-selling-0" rel="nofollow -
http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/thirteen-commercial-fishermen-charged-north-carolina-illegally-harvesting-and-selling" rel="nofollow -
Two other boat that I've been tracking- the McKenzie and the Birdie P have the same NMFS permit mailing address in Hobucken, NC as does the F/V Jane Carolyn shown below that is one of the boats involved in the illegal striped bass trawling convictions for Michael Potter.

Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zip Code Effective Date Expiration Date
1029895 BIRDIE P SPA TRAWLER CAPT ALFRED INC PO BOX 100 HOBUCKEN NC 28537-0100 7/1/2018 6/30/2019
1041448 JANE CAROLYN SPA TRAWLER CAPT ALFRED INC PO BOX 100 HOBUCKEN NC 28537-0100 7/1/2018 6/30/2019
1062598 CAPT POTTER SPA SIDDIE GOLDEN INC PO BOX 100 HOBUCKEN NC 28537-0100 10/11/2017 9/30/2018
1069510 MCKENZIE SPA TRAWLER NEW HOPE INC PO BOX 100 HOBUCKEN NC 28537-0100 8/1/2017 8/31/2018



http://www.justice.gov/usao-ednc/pr/two-more-commercial-fisherman-plead-guilty-ilegally-harvesting-and-selling-atlantic" rel="nofollow -
Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zip Code Effective Date Expiration Date
531014 JOYCE D SPA HENRY DANIELS INC 302 TATE RD BELHAVEN NC 27810-9254 7/1/2018 6/30/2019


The principle owner of the boat is Henry Daniels, who was an advisory member to the original NC Shrimp FMP in 2006-

The Joyce D has not transmitted a received AIS/MMSI signal since June 22nd, 2018 while in the Pamlico Sound.  I wonder if the vessel is having transmitter issues?




Dwayne J. Hopkins shown convicted below was the captain on the Lady Carolyn at the time, which is a vessel also permitted in the SPA shrimp fishery-

Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zip Code Effective Date Expiration Date
1084993 LADY CAROLYN SPA HOPKINS, MURPHY JACKSON JR 195 HOPKINS SEAFOOD RD BELHAVEN NC 27810-9373 8/1/2017 7/31/2018
 
The Lady Carolyn has not transmitted a received AIS/MMSI signal since 5/24/18-



I had to look at that vessel photo a little better.  Why is a Belhaven based trawler sitting in Chincoteague missing the Pamlico Sound shrimp season?  Maybe it has a broken AIS/MMSI transmitter?




Joseph Howard Williams below was a Brunswick, Georgia resident at the time of his conviction below.  He was the captain on the F/V Jo Ann B, which is a Swanquarter based trawler and Mr. Williams is the president of Jo Ann B Inc of Swanquarter.

Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zip Code Effective Date Expiration Date
508901 JO ANN B SPA JO ANN B INC 66 3RD ST SWANQUARTER NC 27885-9384 5/1/2018 4/30/2019

JoAnn B has dropped off the data list for tracking...more research on that one...new boat name...new llc?


James K. Lewis, Jr was the captain on the Gulf stream III, which is also missing in action...




...but I remember that vessel name all too well from past posts on NC Waterman for it to be missing in action-

Turtle Shrimping on the Pamlico Sound- 
http://vimeo.com/198773677" rel="nofollow - http://vimeo.com/198773677    

Just pushing this trash over-
http://vimeo.com/176753195" rel="nofollow - http://vimeo.com/176753195

More turtle shrimping-
http://vimeo.com/176752819" rel="nofollow - http://vimeo.com/176752819

So let's go back to the 2016-2017 NOAA SPA permitted boats-

Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zip Code Effective Date Expiration Date
1103688 GULF STREAM III SPA YANKEE FISHERMAN LLC PO BOX 13 NEWPORT NEWS VA 23607-0013 7/19/2016 6/30/2017


The Gulf Stream III was owned by Timothy Daniels-

Who is Timothy Daniels?

All of the Daniels family is on-board with the plan to sell the US-based scallop harvesting and processing firm Wanchese Fish Company to Cooke Aquaculture, with the last reportedly to agree being Timothy ‘Timmy’ Daniels.
http://www.undercurrentnews.com/2014/12/31/wancheses-daniels-family-in-agreement-on-sale-to-cooke/" rel="nofollow - http://www.undercurrentnews.com/2014/12/31/wancheses-daniels-family-in-agreement-on-sale-to-cooke/

I'll have to research the Gulf Stream III some more- Daniel either sold the boat or changed the name...possibly sold it to Cooke Seafood...more on that following...

The Bridgot Denise is is a permitted vessel in SPA fishery and one that I've been tracking in the Pamlico Sound this week.  David Saunders was the Captain of that boat when he was convicted below in the illegal striped bass trawling case.

Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zip Code Effective Date Expiration Date
1040383 BRIDGOT DENISE SPA ESTHER JOY INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 2/5/2018 1/31/2019

That's an easy address to remember....

I've been tracking two of Bridgot Denise's sister trawlers in the Pamlico Sound this week-

Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zip Code Effective Date Expiration Date
1026244 PACIFICS SPA DELORES OF WANCHESE INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 4/1/2018 3/31/2019
1038900 BALD EAGLE II SPA FISHERMANS WHARF FILET INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 1/5/2018 12/31/2018
1040383 BRIDGOT DENISE SPA ESTHER JOY INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 2/5/2018 1/31/2019
1049030 SASSY SARAH SPA HIWALL INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 2/1/2018 1/31/2019
1073368 VICKIE II SPA HIWALL INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 2/1/2018 1/31/2019
1102867 LADY ANNA SPA CAPTAIN MALC INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 10/3/2017 7/31/2018
1104089 U-BOYS SPA U-BOYS LLC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 10/3/2017 10/31/2018
1123755 GOOD NEWS II SPA DELORES OF WANCHESE INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 4/1/2018 3/31/2019
587137 FRANK & MARIA SPA TRAWLER DIANE MARIE INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 10/3/2017 8/31/2018


Those 48 Waters Street, Hampton, Va  vessels are Cooke Seafood, former Wanchese Fish Company boats.  It is interesting that these are NC registered entities.  How does that work?  Boat docks in VA.  Owner is Virginia citizen.  Virginia mailing address.  Where does the boat spend the majority of it's time?  Where is property tax being paid?  Who owns the SCFL that is assigned to the Captain?  I can promise you this is a case of assignment.  Is that a NC resident SCFL being assigned? 





...more to follow as I get time to research each rock fish case for additional connections-

United States v. Dewey W. Willis, Jr., No. 2:15-CR-3-BO:

 

JUDGMENT as to Dewey W. Willis, Jr. (1) - Count 3 - 5 years PROBATION - 6 months home confinement without electronic monitoring - during the 6 months of home confinement, the defendant shall be allowed to continue to be employed - 100 hours community service - Restitution in the amount of $24,635.67 without interest - $100.00 special assessment - Counts 1, 2 and 4 are Dismissed. Signed by District Judge Terrence W. Boyle on 8/4/2017. (Downing, L.) (Entered: 08/08/2017)

 

United States v. James Ralph Craddock, No. 2:15-CR-7-BO

 

JUDGMENT as to James Ralph Craddock (1) - Count 3 - PROBATION for 1 year with standard and additional standard conditions - $100.00 special assessment - Restitution in the amount of $27,482.25 - Counts 1, 2 and 4 are Dismissed. Signed by District Judge Terrence W. Boyle on 10/10/2017. (Downing, L.) (Entered: 10/12/2017)

 

United States v. Joseph Howard Williams, No. 4:15-CR-2-BO

 

JUDGMENT as to Joseph Howard Williams (1) - Count 1 - 3 years PROBATION - 100 hours community service - Restitution in the amount of $69,045.43 - Special assessment of $100.00 - Counts 2, 3 and 4 are Dismissed. Signed by District Judge Terrence W. Boyle on 8/23/2017. (Downing, L.) (Entered: 08/25/2017)

 

United States v. Ellis Leon Gibbs, Jr., No. 4:14-CR-9-BO

 

JUDGMENT as to Ellis Leon Gibbs, Jr. (1) - Counts 4 and 5 - Probation - 2 years per count - concurrent with standard and additional standard conditions - $200.00 special assessment - Restitution in the amount of $55,220.37 - Counts 1-2, 3 and 6 are Dismissed. Signed by District Judge Terrence W. Boyle on 10/10/2017. (Downing, L.) (Entered: 10/12/2017)

 

United States v. Dwayne J. Hopkins, 2:15-CR-8-BO Sentencing now before Judge Boyle

 

JUDGMENT as to Dwayne J. Hopkins (1) - Count 1 - 3 years PROBATION - 100 hours community service - Restitution in the amount of $35,318.32 - Special assessment of $100.00 - Counts 2 through 4 are Dismissed. Signed by District Judge Terrence W. Boyle on 8/23/2017. (Downing, L.) (Entered: 08/25/2017)

 

United States v. John Roberts¸ No. 4:15-CR-3-BO

 

JUDGMENT as to John Roberts (1) - Count 3 - 3 years PROBATION - 100 hours community service - Restitution in the amount of $55,044.44 - Special assessment of $100.00 - Counts 1, 2 and 4 are Dismissed. Signed by District Judge Terrence W. Boyle on 8/23/2017. (Downing, L.) (Entered: 08/25/2017)


 

United States v. David Saunders, Jr., No. 2:15-CR-2-B0

 

JUDGMENT as to David Saunders, Jr. (1) - Count 5 - 3 years PROBATION - 100 hours community service - Restitution in the amount of $67,318.31 - Special assessment of $100.00 - Counts 1 through 4, 6 and 7 are Dismissed. Signed by District Judge Terrence W. Boyle on 8/23/2017. (Downing, L.) (Entered: 08/25/2017)

 

United States v. Michael Potter, No. 2:15-CR-6-BO

 

JUDGMENT as to Michael Potter (1) - Count 1 - 5 years PROBATION with standard and additional standard conditions - Restitution in the amount of $34,422.77 without interest - $100.00 special assessment - Count 2 is Dismissed. Signed by District Judge Terrence W. Boyle on 8/4/2017. (Downing, L.) (Entered: 08/09/2017)

 

United States v. Bryan Daniels,

 

JUDGMENT as to Bryan H. Daniels (1) - Sentenced on 8/4/2017 - Count 4 - 5 years PROBATION with standard and additional standard conditions - Restitution in the amount of $67,190.36 without interest - $100.00 special assessment - Counts 1 through 3 and 5 are dismissed. Signed by District Judge Terrence W. Boyle on 8/4/2017. (Downing, L.) (Entered: 08/08/2017)

 

United States v. Stephen Daniels

 

JUDGMENT of US Court of Appeals (certified copy) as to Stephen Daniels regarding 35 Notice of Appeal - Final Judgment. In accordance with the decision of this court, the orders of the district court dismissing the indictments are reversed. This case is remanded to the district court for further proceedings consistent with the court's decision. This judgment shall take effect upon issuance of this court's mandate in accordance with Fed. R. App. P. 41. (Tripp, S.) (Entered: 07/05/2016)

AMENDED JUDGMENT as to Stephen Daniels (1) - Sentencing held on 8/4/2017 - Count 1 - 5 years PROBATION with standard and additional standard conditions - Restitution in the amount of $94,696.61 without interest - $100.00 special assessment. Judgment amended as to Page 3 - additional standard conditions only. Signed by District Judge Terrence W. Boyle on 8/22/2017. (Downing, L.) (Entered: 08/23/2017)

 


United States v. James K. Lewis, Jr.

 

JUDGMENT as to James K. Lewis, Jr. (1) - Count 1s - 3 years PROBATION with standard and additional standard conditions - $100.00 special assessment - Fine in the amount of $3,000 - Restitution in the amount of $41,611.17 - the fine and restitution shall be paid through installments payments - the amount shall be set by the US Probation Office - Counts 2s and 3s are Dismissed. Signed by District Judge Terrence W. Boyle on 11/8/2017. (Downing, L.) (Entered: 11/14/2017)

 

United States V. Gaston L. Saunders

 

JUDGMENT as to Gaston L. Saunders (1) - Count 1s through 5s - 6 months with standard and additional standard conditions - $275.00 special assessment - Restitution in the amount of $653,795.87 - Original indictment is on 11/9/2017. Signed by District Judge Terrence W. Boyle on 11/8/2017. (Downing, L.) (Entered: 11/14/2017)

 

Ronald Berry Case against him was abated on 10/8/15



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Posted By: bakesta
Date Posted: 26 July 2018 at 8:03pm
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Angry

Nice work Rick!


Now why in the hell does DMF allow this??????????????   What is wrong with that agency??






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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 30 July 2018 at 8:30am
rumor on Saturday...confirmed this morning through CG Sector Wilmington...currently waiting the details-

one of the large steel hulled trawlers collided with a smaller wooden trawler on Thursday night (early Friday morning) sinking the smaller trawler-

AIS/MMSI data on the "Dead Cow" this morning is anecdotal evidence of the area the collision took place.  Dead Cow is a salvage vessel.




Updated info from "Sanders" CG Sector Wilmington-

collision occurred at 1:16AM on Friday, July 27 between the Capt Carl and the Jen Marie. The Jen Marie capsized and sank.

Location:  35 05.46 and 76 18.42, which is exactly where the Dead Cow is positioned above.

No one was injured.



The Capt Carl is actively trawling this morning-



I've been posting for over a year now that the level of trawling activity in the Pamlico Sound is a danger to commercial, recreational and passenger traffic.  The Coastguard needs to be actively enforcing AIS/MMSI compliance-

http://www.ncwaterman.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80210&KW=AIS%2FMMSI&PID=652112&title=measuring-trawling-effort-ais-mmsi#652112" rel="nofollow - http://www.ncwaterman.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80210&KW=AIS%2FMMSI&PID=652112&title=measuring-trawling-effort-ais-mmsi#652112

Should the DMF/MFC consider requiring AIS/MMSI transmitters on vessels less than 65-feet that trawl the Pamlico Sound?

If the Jen Marie had an active transmitter could that have helped avoid the collison?


Above photo shows a gauntlet any time of the day...how about in inclement weather and the dark.  The vessels shown represent only those actively running a AIS/MMSI transmitter...a small portion of the total trawl fleet

Again, navy blue and green icons are passenger ferries.






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Posted By: Ray Brown
Date Posted: 30 July 2018 at 10:10am
Where was, or is, the media on this?  An incident like this is public record.   While I truly feel sorry for Kenny Rustic and his loss week before last, why isn't the owner of the Jen Marie not having his/her story told?

Could it be that there is a definite conspiracy to keep the public from knowing exactly how many of these large oceanic trawlers are working Pamlico Sound and the danger they pose to the small local boats coming from the small towns of the Inner Banks to shrimp their home waters?

This kind of stuff would not happen in any other eastern seaboard state or even the Gulf states in waters behind the inlets because no other states would allow boats as big as the Captain Carl to effectively and efficiently operate in those waters.  The Gulf states reserve their inland coastal waters for boats like the Jen Marie and make the Captain Carl's of the world work the Gulf of Mexico where they were built to work.

It shows that the smaller boats working at night in Pamlico Sound are running a great risk just to work their home waters and the waters they were designed to work in because NC, unlike other states, lets oceanic vessels trawl in a lagoon.   Show me another example of that happening anywhere else in the world, let alone the US.   


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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 30 July 2018 at 10:59am
BOLO for the Capt Ben.  I passed it yesterday heading towards the Neuse in Adam's Creek.  I wasn't getting an AIS/MMSI signal and MarineTraffic doesn't show an active signal this morning...probably still working out the bugs in a few sea trials on the Pamlico...

You'll remember the Capt Ben from this thread-
http://www.ncwaterman.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80438&title=the-destruction-resumes" rel="nofollow - http://www.ncwaterman.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80438&title=the-destruction-resumes

Here is a photo that I took yesterday in Adam's Creek-





Here's a little more info on the build for those interested-  nice size boat at  68-Feet.






The Capt Ben is tied to Millis Seafood Company in Sneads Ferry. 

You might have seen this article about Nancy Millis Edens with her speaking out against license changes-

http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20180323/in-ongoing-battle-nc-fishermen-want-commercial-licenses-to-remain-unchanged" rel="nofollow - http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20180323/in-ongoing-battle-nc-fishermen-want-commercial-licenses-to-remain-unchanged

Mrs. Edens served as an AC member and Chairman on the 2015 Shrimp FMP-







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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 30 July 2018 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by Rick Rick wrote:

Originally posted by FLOUDERMN FLOUDERMN wrote:

They all don't tow 220ft of headrope it takes tremendous power to pull 4 55ft nets and all those boats you see don't have that kind of power alot do but alot don't either.So your numbers are no where near correct.


Let me know which of these 29 boats that are actively running AIS/MMSI and trawling the Pamlico Sound within the last 24-hours don't have the power to pull four 55-foot nets... standing by...

Well....I guess Floudermn did a hit-n-run and went radio silent.

The photo below was taken yesterday in Adam's Creek.  It shows the Capt Matthew with his nets rigged....you can see this wooden boat is capable of pulling four nets.

...at least I'm seeing four TEDs on four nets.  Maybe Floundermn will see something different and explain it all to us.  I'm just a farm boy who misses catching spot, croaker and gray trout, and trying to learn about this shrimp boat'n thing-



Here's the SPA permit info on this vessel-
Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zip Code Effective Date Expiration Date
1249376 CAPTAIN MATTHEW SPA CAPTAIN MATTHEW LLC 225 HILL LN SNEADS FERRY NC 28460-6582 10/5/2017 9/30/2018


...a little more info-



It is another active trawler not running AIS/MMSI...at least not that I can find...maybe the data on the length is wrong.  If this vessel is under 65-ft, it is not required to have AIS/MMSI transmitting.

Whatever it is, it is more unrecorded effort- this boat's TRUE EFFORT is not a TRIP!




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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 31 July 2018 at 9:00am
Today- Tuesday, July 31, 2018

Let's look at NC's coastal waters from SC to Virginia to see how many fishing vessels are transmitting an AIS/MMSI signal.  (Note: only vessels 65ft and greater are required to have AIS/MMSI)

There are zero fishing vessels, thought to be shrimp trawlers, transmitting from the SC line to Bald Head Island.



From Bald Head Island to North Topsail Beach, there are zero shrimp trawlers transmitting AIS/MMSI signals-



From North Topsail Beach to Beaufort Inlet, there are zero shrimp trawlers transmitting AIS/MMSI signals-



In nearshore ocean waters, from Beaufort Inlet to Ocracoke, there is one commercial fishing vessel transmitting an AIS/MMSI signal-


At 36ft in length, REELAX is not required by federal law (as a pure commercial fishing vessel) to be transmitting an AIS/MMSI signal.

This is the "commercial fishing" vessel Reelax-




This morning there are 23 large (65-feet or greater in length) vessels actively trawling the Pamlico Sound-

 

From Ocracoke to the Virginia in the ocean there was one trawler, the Tamara Alane, actively transmitting.  The vessel appeared to be in transit heading down the beach.  She is no longer transmitting a received signal.  (Note: I plan on tracking this boat over the next few days.)








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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 31 July 2018 at 9:24am
Originally posted by Ray Brown Ray Brown wrote:

Where was, or is, the media on this?  An incident like this is public record.   While I truly feel sorry for Kenny Rustic and his loss week before last, why isn't the owner of the Jen Marie not having his/her story told?

Could it be that there is a definite conspiracy to keep the public from knowing exactly how many of these large oceanic trawlers are working Pamlico Sound and the danger they pose to the small local boats coming from the small towns of the Inner Banks to shrimp their home waters?

This kind of stuff would not happen in any other eastern seaboard state or even the Gulf states in waters behind the inlets because no other states would allow boats as big as the Captain Carl to effectively and efficiently operate in those waters.  The Gulf states reserve their inland coastal waters for boats like the Jen Marie and make the Captain Carl's of the world work the Gulf of Mexico where they were built to work.

It shows that the smaller boats working at night in Pamlico Sound are running a great risk just to work their home waters and the waters they were designed to work in because NC, unlike other states, lets oceanic vessels trawl in a lagoon.   Show me another example of that happening anywhere else in the world, let alone the US.   





Four days later and the media still appears to be radio silent on the collision between the  F/V Capt Carl and the F/V Jen Marie that resulted in the capsizing and sinking of the Jen Marie...which if nothing else, is a "public concern"...the sinking had to create an fuel/oil spill requiring environmental clean-up.

When it comes to commercial fishing-  NC treats it's citizens like a bunch of mushrooms...









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Posted By: kshivar
Date Posted: 31 July 2018 at 10:22am
This is truly bizarre. No mention of it anywhere.


Posted By: Ray Brown
Date Posted: 31 July 2018 at 11:25am
Both WITN in Washington and WNCT in Greenville know about it.   WNCT even admits they were told about it yesterday but as of yet, "haven't had time to run the story."

My guess is that when the story finally breaks it will be just a mention since getting into the details as to why steel trawlers built to fish in the ocean are in Pamlico Sound when no other state from Maine to Texas would allow them to pull a full compliment of nets behind the demarcation line would never be pondered.   Small family fishermen don't stand a chance with their boats anymore as NC allows industrialized fishing to have full run of our waters.

Most citizens do not know the truth and the few TV stations and newspapers that could tell the story have been sold a bill of goods that all who complain are just anti commercial fishing.




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Posted By: todobien
Date Posted: 31 July 2018 at 12:18pm
Ray,

That probably won't be mentioned as it's not the straight story line. However if the Capt Carl was required to be running AIS and they weren't there could be a bit more of a story to carry there. Then that one may be able to be expanded to show how many aren't and why they are concentrated in an area and the danger that holds to other vessels and while working harm to other critters.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 31 July 2018 at 1:19pm
Originally posted by todobien todobien wrote:

Ray,

That probably won't be mentioned as it's not the straight story line. However if the Capt Carl was required to be running AIS and they weren't there could be a bit more of a story to carry there. Then that one may be able to be expanded to show how many aren't and why they are concentrated in an area and the danger that holds to other vessels and while working harm to other critters.


As I mentioned above, failure to run an AIS/MMSI (if required) could certainly be a huge liability to the vessel owner in an accident.

The Capt Carl is currently running "an" AIS/MMSI system that is being received-



as it was also yesterday-


Whether it was running AIS/MMSI at 1:16 AM on Friday morning, I don't know.  I do know that the Capt Carl was not one of the vessels that was actively transmitting a received signal earlier last week when I was tracking vessels.

Is there some "funky stuff" going on with the Capt Carl's AIS/MMSI system?  Absolutely!

The data return on the Capt Carl MMSI# returns the F/V Lillie Belle-



If we look at the Federal Universal Licensing system, it appears that the radio "call sign" licenses have expired that are attached to the MMSI#

 

Below is the owner of the expired licenses-


...and that registered agent controls several more LLCs with trawlers-




...and one Inc.



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Posted By: todobien
Date Posted: 31 July 2018 at 1:37pm
hmmmmm big guy running over little guy. Seems like we have heard that a lot in a figurative sense lately in the comm fisheries world.


Posted By: Glacierbaze
Date Posted: 31 July 2018 at 1:58pm
Rick said, "If we look at the Federal Universal Licensing system, it appears that the radio "call sign" licenses have expired that are attached to the MMSI#........."

If you look at the first line, it also says that the radio/call sign on the vessel is: " Ship Recreational or voluntarily equipped".



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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 01 August 2018 at 8:28am
This morning, Wednesday, August 1-  the F/V Tamara Alane referenced above is showing a sporadic AIS/MMSI signal as it was headed to the Pamlico Sound last night around midnight-



The F/V Tamara  Alane is a New Bern/Hobucken based boat owned by Clyde Potter-

Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zip Code Effective Date Expiration Date
1029425 TAMARA ALANE SPA POTTER, CLYDE ALFRED PO BOX 12547 NEW BERN NC 28561-2547 1/1/2018 12/31/2018





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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 02 August 2018 at 5:09pm
Today's post, Thursday, Aug 2, 2018 will be about the F/V Capt Phillips' Effort for the week...his TRIP-

On Sunday, July 29th, heading towards the Neuse River, I passed the Capt Phillips in the ICW around lunch time.  The vessel was headed to the Pamlico Sound to start his week of trawling at 5pm.

 



The F/V Capt Phillips cut his week short by one day stopping trawling around noon today. 

Today- Thursday, Aug2- the vessel is headed back home towards Swansboro.

One trip... 3-days and 19-hours on the Pamlico Sound.

Next week, once Global Fishing Watch is updated, I'll update this post with Capt Phillips' track line for that period.



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Posted By: bakesta
Date Posted: 02 August 2018 at 7:05pm
Hmmmmmmmmm

Almost 4 days dragging nets  = 1 trip.



So when the DMF says that shrimp trawling effort is down, would the statement be classified as an "alternative fact" or "outright lie"?



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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 03 August 2018 at 12:04pm
Friday, August 3rd at Noon EST.

Trawling temporarily closes for the weekend at 5:00 PM today and will reopen at 5:00 PM on Sunday.

At Noon, below is the snapshot of six vessels that have been transmitting a received AIS/MMSI signal actively trawling the Pamlico Sound this week-

The Caressa Mae running at 7.6 knots was probably heading home, maybe to a new trawling spot. 
McKenzie, Capt Lee and Little Hobo hadn't pinged in about an hour.

The rest had headed to the dock or were already there.





Below are examples of a few vessels that I took photos of between 10:30am and Noon on Sunday, July 29 in the ICW at Adam's Creek as they headed to the Neuse/Pamlico. 

These vessels never transmitted a received AIS/MMSI signal this week.  Most are below 65-feet and length and are not required to transmit-














Below are the thirty-one vessels that were actively transmitting a received AIS/MMSI signal this past week-

Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zip Code Effective Date Expiration Date MMSI# Length Feet  
604116 CAPT ALEX SPA WILLIAMS, LEE BLAND PO BOX 306 SWANQUARTER NC 27885-0306 6/1/2018 5/31/2019 367730490 79  
617732 JONATHAN RYAN SPA TRAWLER JONATHAN RYAN CO LLC PO BOX 3321 NEW BERN NC 28564-3321 9/28/2017 8/31/2018 367478370 75  
547960 LITTLE HOBO SPA LEWIS, MARK STEVEN 971 PIGOTT RD GLOUCESTER NC 28528-9368 4/11/2018 1/31/2019 367769820 69  
623905 CAPT JEFF SPA TRAWLERS GARLAND AND JEFF INC PO BOX 306 SWANQUARTER NC 27885-0306 8/7/2017 7/31/2018 366983090 69  
1121658 CAPTAIN DAMIEN SPA MISS MARILYN LOUISE INC 4061 STARRATT RD JACKSONVILLE FL 32226-1331 2/1/2018 1/31/2019 366838960 85  
1122566 LILLIE BELLE (Capt Carl) SPA G & C SCALLOP FISHERIES INC PO BOX 250 ORIENTAL NC 28571-0250 6/18/2018 12/31/2019 367120750 72  
634816 CAPT PHILLIPS SPA PHILLIPS, JAMES CLYDE PO BOX 891 SWANSBORO NC 28584-0891 2/9/2018 12/31/2018 367457370 66  
1040383 BRIDGOT DENISE SPA ESTHER JOY INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 2/5/2018 1/31/2019 367468260 78  
909599 MISS KAYDEN SPA MISS KAYDEN LLC 990 CALLISON RD ORIENTAL NC 28571-1300 10/1/2017 9/30/2018 367669840 75  
546654 CAPT NATHAN SPA WILLIAMS, LEE BLAND PO BOX 306 SWANQUARTER NC 27885-0306 6/1/2018 5/31/2019 367730460 79  
1038900 BALD EAGLE II SPA FISHERMANS WHARF FILET INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 1/5/2018 12/31/2018 366920560 79  
1091811 CHASITY BROOKE SPA CHASITY BROOKE LLC PO BOX 250 ORIENTAL NC 28571-0250 2/1/2018 1/31/2019 367705010 105  
571255 CAPT RALPH SPA ROANOKE FISH COMPANY INC 5897 US HIGHWAY 64 MANNS HARBOR NC 27953-9442 11/1/2017 10/31/2018 367143030 74  
689213 SHAWNA LUCILLE SPA TLG TRAWLERS INC 10871 GA HIGHWAY 99 DARIEN GA 31305-3435 5/24/2017 8/31/2018 368000070 66  
1026244 PACIFICS SPA DELORES OF WANCHESE INC 48 WATER ST HAMPTON VA 23663-1718 4/1/2018 3/31/2019 367020610 74  
1060577 LADY SAMAIRA SPA WILLIAMS, SAMMIE EUGENE 200 MAIN ST SWANQUARTER NC 27885-9700 6/26/2018 4/30/2019 367172110 79  
606639 PALMETTO PRIDE SPA REAVES, CAMERON LATEN 17 QUAIL RIDGE CIR N BEAUFORT SC 29906-9027 1/25/2018 12/31/2018 338230346 66  
917630 LADY KIMBERLY SPA PITTMAN, KENNETH RAY SR 314 ROYAL RD BEAUFORT NC 28516-6572 1/9/2018 7/31/2018 367435910 69  
1069510 MCKENZIE SPA TRAWLER NEW HOPE INC PO BOX 100 HOBUCKEN NC 28537-0100 8/1/2017 8/31/2018 366973860 77  
1029895 BIRDIE P SPA TRAWLER CAPT ALFRED INC PO BOX 100 HOBUCKEN NC 28537-0100 7/1/2018 6/30/2019 367107940 78  
1056576 MICAH BELL SPA CAPT GASTON LLC PO BOX 3321 NEW BERN NC 28564-3321 8/1/2017 7/31/2018 367521460 79  
615409 HANNAH JAE SPA WHITE, GEORGE EDWARD III 8 CRYSTAL ST SEABROOK SC 29940-3604 1/1/2018 12/31/2018 338199694 66  
615565 MISS KIRK SPA MISS KIRK INC 105 SWEETBRIAR RD WASHINGTON NC 27889-9229 4/1/2018 3/31/2019 367148930 78  
  Capt Lee                 7933725 74  
632915 Wanda Gail SPA WANDA GAIL II LLC PO BOX 533 HARKERS IS NC 28531-0533 1/26/2018 7/31/2019 368004960 66  
658242 LILLIE JANE SPA POWELL, JOSEPH PARSON 132 POWELLS RD BEAUFORT NC 28516-7580 7/30/2018 3/31/2019 368008560 66  
  Capt Vern                 367728060 66  
  Lady Madison                 367790550 95  
  Sheila Rene                 367095140 78  
614436 CARESSA MAE SPA DREWS SEAFOOD INC 264 CHAPEL CREEK DR BAYBORO NC 28515-9382 4/24/2018 9/30/2019 368039710 102.0  
  Miss Lewis                 368014920 65  
                    Average 76  


The Capt Lee "pinged" he is still shrimping-




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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 09 August 2018 at 11:05pm
So...

Is the NCDMF protecting our critical habitat nursery areas?  Absolutely not!

Does the NCDMF know that CHPPs (Coastal Habitat Protection Plan) is a failure? Absolutely!

Are nursery area designations and CHPP reviews a smoke and mirrors game to deceive the public that state statute is being met?  Absolutely!

The DMF conducts an annual stratified trawl survey in the Pamlico Sound called the P195 Trawl Survey.  The survey is a random sampling of 1,502 grids (stations) in which each grid is one square nautical mile.

This is the P195 Trawl Survey Area-



The P195 Trawl Survey is used to establish the annual juvenile abundance index that NCDMF submits to the Atlantic State Marine Fisheries Commission under terms of the Interstate Jurisdictional Weakfish Fishery Management Plan.

Let's say that again- a trawl survey, the P195, is used to establish the annual JUVENILE abundance index for Weakfish (gray trout).

Where are juvenile weakfish found? In a nursery area.

How do you delineate a  nursery area of strategic importance?  By finding unique areas of preference.

NCDMF does a fantastic job on making the P195 data available to the public.  You can find it here-

http://seamap.org/PSS.html" rel="nofollow - http://seamap.org/PSS.html

1999 through 2016 data is available for both the Summer and Fall P195 surveys.  The fall survey is used to calculate the weakfish juvenile abundance index.

Let's look at ten years of weakfish CPUE (catch per unit of effort) that show the areas weakfish prefer-








It is very obvious where juvenile weakfish prefer- the deeper more open waters of the Pamlico Sound.

Juvenile weakfish particularly prefer the area north of Bluff Shoal.

Another factor used to delineate nursery areas is unique physical structure that could serve as an attractant to hold juveniles.

Do the deeper waters of the Pamlico Sound have such structure?  Yes- particularly north of Bluff Shoal-




...and deeper depths correlate with that sediment structure-




The RED line on the maps below shows Bluff Shoal-






Besides physical geological structures of depth and sediment composition there are two additional reasons that may contribute to the juvenile weakfish's abundance north of Bluff Shoal- the prevailing winds in late spring and summer and the Coriolis effect.  These effects could be driving larval transportation to settlement areas north of Bluff Shoal with higher salinity levels driven by those same effects-wind and gravitational force- being preferred habitat for weakfish.

Weakfish are batch spawners that spawn just inside the inlets on strong lunar tides.  Wind, tides and other gravitational forces push the eggs and larva across the sound for settlement in the shallow bays for initial development.



At thirty days of age (about 1-3/8 inches in length), the larva leave the protected bays for the deeper more open waters of the sound.





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 APS response to the southwestward wind (one of the two prevailing wind directions during the spring and fall transition seasons) tells a similar story (Figures 4a and 4b). It causes a sea level pileup toward the western side of Albemarle Sound and the southwestern side of Pamlico Sound. Surface currents move downwind on the shallow shoals of Albemarle and northern Pamlico Sound while bottom currents move upwind in the deep channels. The two-layer gravitational circulation in southern Pamlico Sound appears to be significantly disrupted by the wind. While southwestward (downwind) surface currents cover most of southern Pamlico Sound, bottom currents are mostly pointed in the northeastward (upwind) direction.

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(Note: APS = Albemarle-Pamlico Sound)

Despite the weak stratification, the mean circulation features a two‐layer gravitational circulation with speeds reaching several centimeters per second. Analysis of the depth‐integrated momentum budget shows a primary balance among the barotropic pressure gradient due to sea level slope, the baroclinic pressure gradient due to horizontal salinity gradients and stress divergence, as found in partially mixed estuaries. Therefore, the gravitational force rather than the wind stress is the main driver of the mean circulation in APS. In our view, this is a significant result and demonstrates that substantial gravitational circulation can develop in shallow and weakly stratified lagoonal estuaries. The magnitude of the mean current is consistent with the theoretical prediction ofHansen and Rattray [1965], suggesting that the classic estuarine theory provides a good framework to interpret the circulation dynamics in lagoonal estuaries. The two‐layer mean circulation can play an important role in the long‐term transport of nutrients, contaminants, and fish larvae in these estuarine systems [Paerl et al., 1998; Werner and Brain, 1999].


Do we allow allow trawling in these critically important primary and secondary nursery areas while juvenile weakfish are present?  Absolutely.

Did the recent CHPPs work in Region 2 identify important weakfish nursery areas?  Not really.




THE DUMBING DOWN of weakfish nursery areas- throwing them into the "River" species when the juveniles obviously prefer the "Sound".


...and it's not just Weakfish that prefer the open waters of the sound-

Atlantic Croaker





Summer Flounder

Blue Crab

Sea Mullet (southern kingfish)



What did CHPPs recommend?


Weakfish didn't get any nursery area protection.



No protections here-

http://portal.ncdenr.org/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=68734102-5af8-462a-8562-734562dc965f&groupId=38337" rel="nofollow - http://portal.ncdenr.org/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=68734102-5af8-462a-8562-734562dc965f&groupId=38337



487-pages of.....

http://portal.ncdenr.org/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=68734102-5af8-462a-8562-734562dc965f&groupId=38337" rel="nofollow - http://portal.ncdenr.org/c/document_library/get_file?uuid=68734102-5af8-462a-8562-734562dc965f&groupId=38337


...and for those keeping score see below.  The goalposts have moved with the recent DMF announcement that it will not longer use the terms Depleted, Concern, Viable, Recovering, Unknown. 




We must change 40-years of ongoing inherent management bias-





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Posted By: ONEARMEDBANDIT
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 3:18am
Rick.. You are VERY Valuable to this Board.. PLEASE continue to post information & related RESEARCH  HERE!  something ABSOLUTLY NEEDS TO BE DONE!

I have a NOAA (fisheries survey) in My hot lil Hands... with a "return to sender address postage paid"..
I'm going to fill the survey out.. and PRINT every page posted in this thread..
Will it get "action"? I doubt it.. Though More eyeballs that read this the better..
I wonder if we can get a "coronated" effort to get the Fishing piers involved?
I have 7 down My way, in the Southeastern District.. I *wonder* if they would be interested in WHY "catches" and thus fishing is down? (INCOME)… Could they "ban" together in filing a "Class Action" based on Standing as Ray discussed? I would  think so!
BTW, I've about "givin up" on fishing surf & sand, as there's NOTHING to be caught! 


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Posted By: chriselk
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 6:43am
Rick,
Just wondering where Winslow's historical mapping of NC oyster reefs in the Pamlico overlay on the maps.  


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The above comments are my personal opinion and do not represent those of any organizations or agencies I may be a member of.


Posted By: Redfisher
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 8:03am

Very damning information.  Even a dipstick like me gets it.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 8:41am
Originally posted by chriselk chriselk wrote:

Rick,
Just wondering where Winslow's historical mapping of NC oyster reefs in the Pamlico overlay on the maps.  

I had this discussion earlier in the week with a well-respected biologist. His point was if we are truly concerned about water quality and oyster restoration that we should be prohibiting trawling in those historical oyster reef areas that Winslow mapped.  His point- "Left alone a cleared farm field will quickly return to forest."  This is impossible for the Pamlico Sound due to the magnitude and frequency of highly destructive bottom disturbing gears used in the trawl fisheries.



Learning from the Past: Old Maps Help Build A New Future For The Eastern Oyster

By KATHLEEN ANGIONE

In the age of online mapping services, paper maps may seem obsolete — but try telling that to Eugene Ballance, an Ocracoke fisherman who is transforming 118-year-old survey maps of Pamlico Sound into blueprints for restoring the Eastern oyster.

Using satellite mapping and sonar imaging technology, Ballance is modernizing a dozen maps created in 1886-1887 by Lt. Francis E. Winslow, a naval officer who surveyed the sound’s then-abundant oyster reefs.

The projections, or intersecting coordinate lines, on Winslow’s oyster maps are impeccable, says Ballance, who is also a mathematician. “They are better than anything that’s been done since then,” he insists.

Although Winslow’s projections remain accurate, the large, productive oyster beds he described are gone.

Eastern oysters (Crassostrea virginica) have declined steadily in Pamlico Sound for more than a century, mostly due to habitat destruction, water pollution and disease. The
disappearance of these “ecosystem engineers” — which filter water and provide habitat for dozens of aquatic creatures — is a trend Ballance and others in coastal North Carolina are trying to reverse.

To transform Winslow’s work, Ballance is using Geographic Information Systems (GIS), a computerized mapping program that combines thousands of data points from a certain place into “layers” of information. The result will be multi-layered, digital maps that show where oyster reefs once thrived and where they could likely thrive again — information that helps scientists and policymakers better focus restoration efforts and dollars.

Ballance received funding for the project from the N.C. Fishery Resource Grant Program (FRG), funded by the N.C. General Assembly and administered by North Carolina Sea Grant.

To get the thousands of data points required for each layer, Ballance begins by locating an oyster reef that appears on a scanned version of Winslow’s map. Next, he digitizes areas in the pixel coordinates of the scanned map. Ballance then projects this information to latitude and longitude coordinates using “control points,” or features on the map that remain in today’s surveyor databases.

After completing these steps, Ballance must field-check the new coordinate files. First, he transfers the files to a hand-held computer and verifies the coordinates using Global Positioning System (GPS) technology. GPS uses satellite signals to calculate exact positions of objects on earth. Then Ballance samples the area with a small, toothless scallop dredge to determine how much of the reef is left. Finally, he uses sonar imaging to take a picture of the sampled area.

REFORMING RESTORATION

Although the process is complicated, the results simplify choosing a restoration site, notes Jeffrey DeBlieu, director of The Nature Conservancy’s (TNC) Pamlico Sound Oyster Reef Restoration Project.

“It removes some of the guesswork about where we should be restoring oysters,” he says. And that’s a good thing, he adds, because restoration isn’t cheap.

In 2001, TNC received a multimillion-dollar grant from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) to begin working in coastal systems. The North Carolina chapter of TNC received some of that grant to restore the Eastern oyster population in Pamlico Sound. The organization is cooperating with several partners, including the N.C. Division of Marine Fisheries (DMF) and North Carolina Sea Grant.

Before Ballance’s mapping project, site selection lacked a solid historical baseline. “But Gene’s work provides a very strong foundation for us to work from,” says DeBlieu. And the early results have already proved useful.

“We’ve utilized some of Gene’s information to do the first large-scale oyster sanctuary up in the Crab Hole area, between Oregon Inlet and Stumpy Point,” notes Craig Hardy, the DMF section chief for resource enhancement.

DMF and TNC also used Ballance’s data to help develop a sanctuary at Clam Shoal, located behind the southeast corner of Hatteras Island, and another in waters just north of Ocracoke Island.

The Clam Shoal and Crab Hole restoration sites are about 30 acres apiece, and each now contains numerous five- to six-foot-high oyster reefs built of limestone marl.

“It takes five or six years for a pile of limestone to become an oyster reef,” says DeBlieu. The new reefs are developing on schedule. Baby oysters, barnacles, fish and shrimp are already a regular sight, notes DeBlieu, who went scuba diving at Clam Shoal last summer and at Crab Hole in the fall.

“It’s not a beautiful place, like a coral reef,” he admits. “It’s kind of dirty and muddy and crummy looking — but that’s an oyster reef. It’s not real photogenic.”

The Pamlico Sound project will support additional reefs at each site next summer. The hope is that Clam Shoal and Crab Hole one day will be restored to large, continuous reefs similar to those documented by Winslow, says DeBlieu.

A SUPERIOR PIECE OF HISTORY

In 1998, Ballance was mapping sea grass beds near Ocracoke and Hatteras Inlet as part of another FRG project when he was inspired to apply GIS to Winslow’s oyster maps.

But it wasn’t until several years later that he met DeBlieu, who also had thought of applying GIS to Winslow’s maps. Pooling their collective resources and knowledge, Ballance and DeBlieu identified their first hurdle: obtaining the original maps.

Because each map is roughly the size of a large kitchen tabletop and hand-drawn on tracing cloth — “it’s like wax paper with fibers in it,” describes Ballance — they weren’t allowed to leave the N.C. Archives. Instead, state officials agreed to scan them at the Outer Banks History Center on Roanoke Island and give digital copies to Ballance and DeBlieu.

Archives technician Kelly Grimm scanned each chart in eight sections, making sure certain points on each of the scanned sections overlapped so she could “stitch” the digitized pieces back together. Just as in Winslow’s time, precision was critical: “If one section is off kilter, it throws the whole map off kilter,” she says.

Luckily, finding distinct points on the maps was fairly easy. In addition to Winslow’s meticulous drawings, he and his crew also left some personal touches behind.

“I can tell through the fine detail that different people worked on different projections,” says Ballance, noting subtle variation among handwritten letters and numbers.

Accidental details were equally distinct.

“You can see the stains on the maps where the men were working,” says DeBlieu, referring to the occasional ink smear.

After the maps were scanned successfully, Ballance received an FRG in 2003 and began applying GIS technology to Winslow’s work.

During the past two years, Ballance has spent countless hours checking, or “ground-truthing,” Winslow’s projections and determining how much of the historic oyster reefs remain.

Ballance has verified about a third of the area depicted on Winslow’s survey maps. The biggest documented reef measured 230 acres in continuous area, but now only exists in small patches. But no matter the current condition of a reef, Ballance is continually impressed by Winslow’s projections.

“I’m amazed every time I go to one of these beds and see that they could maintain that accuracy through the whole project,” he says.

Winslow and his crew probably worked from a sailing schooner for days on end, only going to shore for food and supplies, Ballance says. Winslow calculated the projections using horizontal sextant angles, measurements taken from three fixed, visible objects on the water that also were identifiable on a nautical chart.

“Without electronics, that was state-of-the art back then,” explains Ballance. And when he puts the projections on Winslow’s maps up against modern maps, Winslow remains superior. “They [Winslow’s maps] were doing better than my nautical chart!” exclaims Ballance.

WINSLOW’S BIGGER PLAN

But Winslow wasn’t surveying oyster reefs simply for historical record.

He had been hired by the state legislature to determine if Pamlico Sound contained enough oysters to support a commercial fishery. The oyster business already was booming in Maryland and Virginia’s Chesapeake Bay in the 19th century. North Carolina hoped similar economic gains could come from its waterways.

Almost immediately after completing the survey, Winslow retired from the Navy and started the Pamlico Oyster Company, appointing himself chief operating officer, according to Kathleen Carter, a historian at High Point University. He planned to sell areas near larger, more productive reefs as private leases. He designated the bigger reefs as “Public Grounds,” hoping they would provide spawning stock for nearby private leases.

When the survey results were released in 1888 confirming an abundance of oysters, it created what Carter calls an “oyster bonanza” in Pamlico Sound. Companies and private fishers from the crowded Chesapeake began arriving in droves. Sales of leases skyrocketed.

Some historians blame Winslow’s survey as the beginning of the end for North Carolina’s natural oyster reefs. But Ballance believes that’s a matter of perspective. “That’s like saying if someone had killed Christopher Columbus, then the New World never would have been discovered. It may have delayed it a few years, but that’s about all.”

Despite the economic gains from oysters in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, tensions escalated among local fishers and transients. By 1891, the state tightened its oyster harvesting laws, even authorizing the use of force to remove “oyster pirates,” a term for fishers from outside the state, notes Carter.

By 1892, Winslow had a severe public image problem. Many accused him of omitting details about the Public Grounds beds from his written survey reports. One senator from Hyde County said Winslow “defrauded North Carolina of its richest oyster beds,” according to Carter.

Some of Winslow’s survey reports appear questionable. In one report, Winslow wrote: “Another small unimportant bed lies between Ocracoke Island and Howard’s and dark’s Reef.”

The survey maps show that this “unimportant” reef indeed existed; yet nearby was the fifth largest oyster reef in the entire sound, notes Ballance. “He just sort of left that out.”

As suspect as the omission seems, Ballance points out that it may have had more to do with politics than personal greed. He cites one of Winslow’s survey reports from a November 1887 meeting with the state’s shellfish commission: “The fourth meeting of the board was held on November the 26th, and the areas, limits and locations of the Public Grounds of the Counties of Hyde and Carteret were determined.”

Despite his role as surveyor, Winslow didn’t have the final say on Public Grounds, contends Ballance. Whether or not the allegations were true, outside skepticism remained such that the Pamlico Oyster Company shut down in 1892. Winslow eventually retired to Connecticut, where he died in 1908.

BRINGING BACK THE OYSTERS

Today, there are no more political squabbles over the abundance of oysters in Pamlico Sound. Instead, tensions more likely are fueled by the declining stock.

In 2003. the amount of oysters commercially harvested barely reached 49,000 bushels, according to the DMF. That figure is considerably lower than the record 1.8 million bushels landed in 1902, the year many consider the peak of oyster harvesting in North Carolina.

Habitat loss, pollution, overharvesting and diseases like Dermo (Perkinsus marinus), a tiny parasite that kills oysters when they reach reproductive age, all have contributed to the decline.

“If we can bring a healthy oyster population back, it will benefit not only commercial harvest, but also habitat for other important finfish and crustaceans,” says Hardy.
Moreover, oysters play a critical role in the overall health of estuarine systems, adds DeBlieu. “Oysters aren’t simply to be dredged up and eaten,” he says.

As the Pamlico Sound Oyster Reef Restoration Project continues, Ballance’s GIS maps will help focus the restoration effort. “I think any oyster reef we build out there will be at a site based on Gene’s work,” says DeBlieu.

“It gives us another layer in our selection process,” concurs Hardy.

Once a potential restoration site is identified, scientists assess the area’s water quality, substrate and salinity. Sometimes they find healthy, natural oyster rock and try to expand that area by restoring adjacent sites, explains Hardy. At other times, they find only piles of old shells with some struggling spat, or baby oysters, attached. In those cases, scientists must weigh the odds for successful restoration against the overall restoration effort.

“The ultimate goal is to restore the resource,” says Hardy.

Reaching that goal may take decades, even centuries, but Ballance’s vision for Winslow’s maps elucidates the interim steps. The mathematician is more than happy to share the credit though:

“His [Winslow’s] party in the 1880s accomplished in two years a feat that has yet to be equaled to this day, even with all our electronic gadgetry,” says Ballance. “It failed in its original purpose of promoting the oyster industry in North Carolina, but may — in this century — succeed in reversing the decline in our remaining oyster habitat.”



Winslow's work-

http://books.google.com/books?id=YXNGAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA106&ots=cUti7Ae3i_&dq=Report%20of%20the%20Waters%20of%20North%20Carolina%20with%20reference%20to%20their%20Possibilities%20for%20Oyster%20Culture&pg=PP7#v=onepage&q=Report%20of%20the%20Waters%20of%20North%20Carolina%20with%20reference%20to%20their%20Possibilities%20for%20Oyster%20Culture&f=false" rel="nofollow - http://books.google.com/books?id=YXNGAAAAYAAJ&lpg=PA106&ots=cUti7Ae3i_&dq=Report%20of%20the%20Waters%20of%20North%20Carolina%20with%20reference%20to%20their%20Possibilities%20for%20Oyster%20Culture&pg=PP7#v=onepage&q=Report%20of%20the%20Waters%20of%20North%20Carolina%20with%20reference%20to%20their%20Possibilities%20for%20Oyster%20Culture&f=false


Winslow certainly didn't mind doing a little "insider trading".  He might not have been the first, but he was certainly one of the first to be paid by the state of NC to help the resource while working towards the end goal of personal gain.

How many oyster reefs did Winslow conveniently miss mapping for that personal gain- looking after his own future financial interest- the Pamlico Oyster Company?

Sound familiar!

We have our paid scientists today at several of the state's public research universities being paid to study oysters while they are privately leasing acres to build for-profit mariculture operations.  I'm hearing through the grape-vine that some of these state employees are getting free or low-cost "excess" seed stock from the university research programs for their private oyster leases.

We have NCDMF staff (some in enforcement) with active commercial fishing licenses.

We have way too many persons charged with the mission of "ensuring sustainable marine and estuarine fisheries and habitats for the benefit and health of the people of North Carolina" that have personal financial conflicts of interest in continued unsustainable harvest or forcing mariculture expansion at a pace that prevents preserving public trust rights.


Ballance received funding for the project from the N.C. Fishery Resource Grant Program (FRG), funded by the N.C. General Assembly and administered by North Carolina Sea Grant.


You "research types"- you know who you are- help me out here!  Where do we find this great report.  I'm a pretty good "finder" and I can't find it.  It almost looks like SeaGrant is trying to hide it.

Below is the only report that returns on a library search using Balance, Eugene as the author-




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Posted By: FishCommander
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 1:46pm
Redfisher ..... Thumbs Up I agree. It is time to change the way this state manages its coastal fisheries.


Posted By: todobien
Date Posted: 10 August 2018 at 2:34pm
As has been mentioned before on here the bad thing is NCDMF and ASFMC ignore work done by Rick since he's not a fish bio. No fish researcher will touch it since they fear being blackballed by DMF. Eventually someone will and the info will be published.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 14 August 2018 at 11:12am
In a review of potential impacts of fishing gear on habitat in the Gulf of Mexico, Barnette (1999) ranked impacts of otter trawls on SAV as
significant.
http://www.asmfc.org/uploads/file/gearImpactsReport.pdf" rel="nofollow -

If water were clear enough to reach bottom would SAV grow in deeper water than now? - yes

If oysters recover in natural beds would water be clearer? - yes

If oysters and SAV recovered to historic distribution would fishery productivity be greatly enhanced? - yes

What are the effects of otter trawls?  They prevent oyster and grass re-colonization by physical disturbance (scouring effect) and by increasing turbidity.

If grass beds and oyters were recovered would there be more fish and clearer water?- yes

Are otter trawls working over current SAV and established oyster rock? - no, that bottom has long since been scoured.

Are otter trawls preventing re-colonization of historically important areas with oysters and grass? - likely





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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 16 August 2018 at 11:38pm
I passed these three South Carolina trawlers traveling together in the ICW yesterday on their way from the Pamlico Sound heading south.  

Why do we let South Carolina boats do here what NC boats can't do in SC-trawl inside our inlets?

§ 113-170.1.  Nonresidents reciprocal agreements.

Persons who are not North Carolina residents are not eligible to obtain licenses under the provisions of this Article except as provided in this section. Residents of jurisdictions that sell commercial fishing licenses to North Carolina residents are eligible to hold North Carolina commercial fishing licenses under the provisions of G.S. 113-168.2. Licenses may be restricted in terms of area, gear, and fishery by the Commission so that the nonresidents are licensed to engage in North Carolina fisheries on the same or similar terms that North Carolina residents can be licensed to engage in the fisheries of other jurisdictions. The Secretary may enter into reciprocal agreements with other jurisdictions as necessary to allow nonresidents to obtain commercial fishing licenses in the State subject to the foregoing provisions. (1997-400, s. 5.1; 1998-225, s. 4.20; 2001-213, s. 2.)

 

F/V Palmetto Pride...one of the vessels that I've be tracking in the above posts-




F/V Carolina Girls




F/V Happy Jack







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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 17 August 2018 at 1:11pm
...and this one today-

F/V San-Dia








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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 20 August 2018 at 9:26pm

United States v. Joseph Howard Williams, No. 4:15-CR-2-BO

 

JUDGMENT as to Joseph Howard Williams (1) - Count 1 - 3 years PROBATION - 100 hours community service - Restitution in the amount of $69,045.43 - Special assessment of $100.00 - Counts 2, 3 and 4 are Dismissed. Signed by District Judge Terrence W. Boyle on 8/23/2017. (Downing, L.) (Entered: 08/25/2017)


Joseph Howard Williams below was a Brunswick, Georgia resident at the time of his conviction above.  He was the captain on the F/V Jo Ann B, which is a Swanquarter based trawler and Mr. Williams is the president of Jo Ann B Inc of Swanquarter.

Vessel IDVessel NamePermitMail RecipientAddressCityStateZip CodeEffective DateExpiration Date
508901JO ANN BSPAJO ANN B INC66 3RD STSWANQUARTERNC27885-93845/1/20184/30/2019

JoAnn B has dropped off the data list for tracking...more research on that one...new boat name...new llc?


Found it!  Showed up last week.  Not Swanquarter based but a Norfolk based trawler with a NC LLC.



 

Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zipcode Effective Date Expiration Date
508901 JO ANN B SPA JO ANN B INC 66 3RD ST SWANQUARTER NC 27885-9384 5/1/2018 4/30/2019





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Posted By: TomM
Date Posted: 20 August 2018 at 9:37pm
Ali you can run but you can’t hide


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 20 August 2018 at 9:41pm

...and one more South Carolina boat doing in NC waters what NC boats can't do in SC waters...and for the RECORD-these SC boats can't do this at home either.

§ 113-170.1.  Nonresidents reciprocal agreements.

Persons who are not North Carolina residents are not eligible to obtain licenses under the provisions of this Article except as provided in this section. Residents of jurisdictions that sell commercial fishing licenses to North Carolina residents are eligible to hold North Carolina commercial fishing licenses under the provisions of G.S. 113-168.2. Licenses may be restricted in terms of area, gear, and fishery by the Commission so that the nonresidents are licensed to engage in North Carolina fisheries on the same or similar terms that North Carolina residents can be licensed to engage in the fisheries of other jurisdictions. The Secretary may enter into reciprocal agreements with other jurisdictions as necessary to allow nonresidents to obtain commercial fishing licenses in the State subject to the foregoing provisions. (1997-400, s. 5.1; 1998-225, s. 4.20; 2001-213, s. 2.)



Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zipcode Effective Date Expiration Date
587877 HENRY EARL SPA HURLEY, PAMELA SUE 217 GREENWAY DR COWPENS SC 29330-9776 4/16/2018 10/31/2018





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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 20 August 2018 at 10:28pm
Tonight- Monday, August 20, 2018 there are 21-trawlers in the Pamlico Sound actively transmitting a AIS/MMSI signal that is being received-




Jonathan Ryan
Capt Lee
Little Hobo
Wanda Gail II
Lillie Jane
Capt Carl (Lillie Belle)
Capt Phillips
Bridgot Denise
Miss Kayden
Lady Madison
Bald Eagle II
Capt Ralph
Shawna Lucille
Pacifics
McKenzie
Birdie P
Caressa Mae
Miss Lewis
Tamara Alane
Vickie II
Little Bit

BOLO for the Wahine....the vessel has gone DARK since Saturday!




The F/V Wahine was at the dock unloading or waiting to unload the Friday afternoon/evening of Aug 17th, 2018 in Oriental with many of the vessels above.



The Wahine has been a summer time regular in Oriental for many years-


The WAHINE gets around...I do believe that is Silver Lake at Ocracoke-




The WAHINE...another South Carolina Trawler doing in NC waters what it can't do at home in SC...trawl inside the inlets in the primary and secondary nursery areas for gray trout, croaker, spot, blue crab, summer and southern flounder, etc....

Vessel ID Vessel Name Permit Mail Recipient Address City State Zipcode Effective Date Expiration Date
620972 WAHINE SPA RACINE, SYLVAN PIERRE JR PO BOX 735 MCCLELLANVLE SC 29458-0735 7/17/2018 6/30/2019




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Posted By: bakesta
Date Posted: 20 August 2018 at 10:39pm
Another years class of juvenile weakfish, croaker, and spot are being destroyed.


The comms, the ruling politicians, and the DMF are all smiling.   


This state is sick.  


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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 20 August 2018 at 11:07pm
Originally posted by Rick Rick wrote:

BOLO for the Capt Ben.  I passed it yesterday heading towards the Neuse in Adam's Creek.  I wasn't getting an AIS/MMSI signal and MarineTraffic doesn't show an active signal this morning...probably still working out the bugs in a few sea trials on the Pamlico...

You'll remember the Capt Ben from this thread-
http://www.ncwaterman.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80438&title=the-destruction-resumes" rel="nofollow - http://www.ncwaterman.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80438&title=the-destruction-resumes

Here is a photo that I took yesterday in Adam's Creek-





Here's a little more info on the build for those interested-  nice size boat at  68-Feet.






The Capt Ben is tied to Millis Seafood Company in Sneads Ferry. 

You might have seen this article about Nancy Millis Edens with her speaking out against license changes-

http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20180323/in-ongoing-battle-nc-fishermen-want-commercial-licenses-to-remain-unchanged" rel="nofollow - http://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20180323/in-ongoing-battle-nc-fishermen-want-commercial-licenses-to-remain-unchanged

Mrs. Edens served as an AC member and Chairman on the 2015 Shrimp FMP-







I saw the Capt Ben again yesterday heading down Adam's Creek towards the Neuse...still not actively running a AIS/MMSI signal

 


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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 21 September 2018 at 10:37am
I hope everyone made it through Florence with minor issues and most of all- safe.  I've talked with several on the board since and thankfully all have been safe with repairable damage from wind and trees, and water intrusion from damage by both.  My thoughts and prayers are with everyone's recovery and safety.   


Let's talk about the accuracy of AIS...

Post Hurricane Florence...due to lost buoys and markers and/or to better mark the channels of Hatteras Inlet and Beaufort Inlet for general transportation and emergency relief, the federal government either positioned new buoys with AIS transmitters and/or attached AIS transmitters to existing buoys and markers.


AtoN (Aid to navigation)  
http://www.mcmurdogroup.com/mcmurdo-products/mcmurdo-ais-aton/" rel="nofollow - http://www.mcmurdogroup.com/mcmurdo-products/mcmurdo-ais-aton/

It appears they have these stuck all the way around the Knuckle to what looks like WR6 (the Shad Boat).



This shows the accuracy of AIS- a close-quarters around the clock navigation aid

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article218599800.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article218599800.html







There's a heck of a lot of transportation activity post storm-

Even four shrimp trawlers have started back working- three in the Pamlico Sound and one off the beach of Core Banks.

1) Capt Ralph
2) Bald Eagle II
3) Unidentified...guessing it to the Pacifics based on past observations of this vessel
4) Vickie II





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Posted By: bakesta
Date Posted: 22 September 2018 at 9:01am
It's pretty nasty if they are trawling in the flood waters.

The DMF is always closing shellfish harvest due to fecal coliform counts but apparently they don't care about contaminated shrimp.


The crap (human, pig, chicken, etc) and pollutants are extremely high right now in the Pamlico and even the nearshore ocean.

Shrimp ON!!!!!DeadDeadDead




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Posted By: chriselk
Date Posted: 22 September 2018 at 9:24am
Originally posted by bakesta bakesta wrote:

It's pretty nasty if they are trawling in the flood waters.

The DMF is always closing shellfish harvest due to fecal coliform counts but apparently they don't care about contaminated shrimp.


The crap (human, pig, chicken, etc) and pollutants are extremely high right now in the Pamlico and even the nearshore ocean.

Shrimp ON!!!!!DeadDeadDead



This is coming from an internationally recognized microbiologist.

He is suggesting the you should not eat the scavengers (shrimp) from such waters.

If you must consume, make sure you cook them well and wash your hands well after preparation, just as you would do with chicken.


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Posted By: TomM
Date Posted: 22 September 2018 at 3:52pm
Can’t imagine eating anything out of those waters anytime soon


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 22 September 2018 at 8:08pm
I wonder if the NC Ag Consumer Services will be promoting "fresh
Local Shrimp" through their Got to Be NC program at all the State Farmers Markets after issuing this to local farmers-

Where is NCDMF on this? Shrimp On!

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
FRIDAY, SEPT. 21, 2018NTACT:Anita MacMullan, director
NCDA&CS Food and Drug Protection Division
919-819-7176
Flooded crops cannot be used for human food

NCDA&CS, NCSU to help farms divert crops to animal feed with proper testing
RALEIGH – Farmers whose crops were flooded by Hurricane Florence face not only the prospect of lower yields and loss of quality, but also the reality that those crops cannot be used for human food.

Crops and commodities exposed to floodwaters are considered adulterated by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and cannot enter human food channels. They also cannot be used for animal feed unless they pass a testing protocol.

“Floodwater may contain sewage, harmful organisms, pesticides, chemical wastes or other substances,” said Agriculture Commissioner Steve Troxler. “Also, wet foods may grow mold, which can produce toxins that can harm humans and animals.”

The FDA guidance applies to all food crops, including:
Surface crops such as leafy greens, tomatoes and corn;
Underground crops such as peanuts and sweet potatoes;
Crops with a hard outer skin, such as watermelon and winter squash; and
Commodities such as grains, nuts, corn and similar products stored in bulk.

The FDA guidance applies to crops that were flooded with water from rivers, creeks or streams. Pooled water, or rainwater that has collected in the field, is different from floodwater and is not likely to contaminate field crops.

The N.C. Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is collaborating with N.C. State Extension in the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences at N.C. State University to help farmers determine safe uses for crops affected by Florence's flood waters.

Under an FDA process, farmers can submit a request to divert flooded crops or commodities to animal feed as long as they pass a testing protocol.

Before crops or commodities contacted by floodwaters can be used for animal feed, the farm must develop a diversion request detailing the process to assure the safety of the crop or commodity. Requests should be submitted to the NCDA&CS Food and Drug Protection Division.

To assist farmers submitting diversion requests, the department will provide testing at no cost to the farm. “This testing process can help farmers find alternative uses for their crops and commodities while maintaining confidence in the safety of our food supply,” Troxler said. “The department and the university are committed to helping in this recovery effort. We encourage farmers not to initiate any diversion actions until their request has been approved.”

Farmers should contact their local Cooperative Extension agents for further information and guidance. Contact information for local offices can be found at https://www.ces.ncsu.edu/

NCDA&CS Public Affairs Division, Andrea Ashby, Director
Mailing Address:1001 Mail Service Center, Raleigh NC 27699-1001
Physical Address: 2 West Edenton Street, Raleigh NC 27601
Phone: (919) 707-3001; FAX: (919) 733-5047




September 21, 2018

LETTER TO INDUSTRY REGARDING FLOOD-IMPACTED CROPS AND COMMODITIES
The North Carolina Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services recognizes the significant impact to agribusiness due to flooding caused by Hurricane Florence. Many farms have crops in the field and/or commodities in storage that have been impacted by flood waters and we would like to offer the following information.

In order to properly assess how your farm may have been impacted, it is important to understand the difference between flood waters and pooled waters. Flood water can be distinguished from pooled water, as described below in guidance from US Food and Drug Administration (FDA):

“Flooding is the flowing or overflowing of a field with water outside a grower’s control. Pooled water (e.g., after rainfall) that is not reasonably likely to cause contamination of the edible portions of fresh produce is not considered flooding.”

FDA also offers the following guidance on crops and commodities exposed to flood waters:

“If the edible portion of a crop is exposed to flood waters, it is considered adulterated... and should not enter human food channels.

There is no practical method of reconditioning the edible portion of a crop that will provide a reasonable assurance of human food safety. Therefore, the FDA recommends that these crops be disposed of in a manner that ensures they are kept separate from crops that have not been flood damaged to avoid adulterating "clean" crops.

This applies to all food crops including:
• Surface crops such as leafy greens, tomatoes and corn;
• Underground crops such as peanuts and sweet potatoes;
• Crops with a hard-outer skin such as pumpkin, watermelon and winter squash; and
• Commodities such as grains, nuts, corn and similar products stored in bulk.

FDA has also provided the following guidance on the use of these crops and commodities in animal feed:

“The FDA reminds harvesters that crops harvested from flooded fields are often unacceptable because of contamination. Flood waters, which are different from pooled rain water, may contain sewage, pathogenic organisms, pesticides, chemical wastes, or other toxic substances. Mold growth is another serious concern for flood impacted crops intended for use in animal food. Some molds produce mycotoxins, which are toxic to certain animals and people.

Please take caution if you harvest crops from flood-impacted fields to ensure that they are kept separate from commodities that have not been exposed to flood waters to avoid adulterating the clean commodities.

In an effort to assist farmers in recovering from flood-related impacts, NCDA&CS is collaborating with N. C. State Extension in the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (CALS) at North Carolina State University to help farmers to determine safe uses for flood-impacted crops and commodities. While these products cannot be used for human food, FDA has established a process by which a request can be submitted to divert these products to animal feed provided that they pass a testing protocol.

Before crops or commodities contacted by flood waters can be used for animal feed, the farm must develop a diversion request detailing the process to assure the safety of diverted crops or commodities. Requests should be submitted to the NCDA&CS Food and Drug Protection Division. We encourage you to not initiate any diversion actions until your request has been approved. Please contact your local Cooperative Extension Agent for further information and guidance.

To assist those submitting diversion requests requiring sample testing, NCDA&CS will provide all testing at no cost to the farm. Please know that we are committed to helping in this recovery effort and appreciate your attention to the information provided in this letter.

Sincerely,
Anita MacMullan, Director
NCDA&CS, Food & Drug Protection Division

References:
CPG 675.100 Diversion of Contaminated Food for Animal Use
CPG Sec. 675.200 Diversion of Adulterated Food to Acceptable Animal Feed Use
CPG 675.300 Moisture Damaged Grain
FDA: https://ncdisaster.ces.ncsu.edu/2018/09/resources-for-animal-food-producers-in-flooded-areas/
NCSU Cooperative Extension

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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 24 September 2018 at 8:30am
You'll find this interesting-

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/92786/a-broad-view-of-flooding-in-the-carolinas#" rel="nofollow - http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/92786/a-broad-view-of-flooding-in-the-carolinas#




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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.


Posted By: Get Bowed Up
Date Posted: 24 September 2018 at 8:34pm
Rick, where are these SC vessels "landing" their catch? NC or SC?


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 24 September 2018 at 8:47pm
Originally posted by Get Bowed Up Get Bowed Up wrote:

Rick, where are these SC vessels "landing" their catch? NC or SC?


I think that would depend on where in NC waters those "SC Vessels" are trawling. I'm sure there are SC vessels trawling in NC's waters of Brunswick and New Hanover counties that land shrimp in SC. The boats I've mentioned above in this thread are trawling for multiple week periods in the Pamlico Sound. Those landings are to NC dealers. These bigger out-of-state boats dock at Beaufort, Oriental, Silver Lake, etc. and run the same trawling pattern as NC 50+ foot vessels- a trip can be a Sunday to Friday. They don't return to their out-of-state home port over the weekend.

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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 27 September 2018 at 9:42am
This is the F/V Pacifics.  It spent most of the summer in the Pamlico Sound...a Cooke Seafood trawler-




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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 01 October 2018 at 10:24am
Today, Monday, Oct 1, 2018 the large industrial trawlers are back working the deeper, more open waters of the Pamlico Sound-

In the screenshot below I found-

Miss Kayden
Wanda Gail II
Capt Phillips
Pacifics
Linda Gayle
Bridget Denise
Capt Ralph
Bald Eagle 2
Birdie P
Caressa Mae
Lady Madison
Lillie Jane
Tamara Alane
Johnathan Ryan
Little Hobo
Vickie II
Capt Alex



If Dr. Noble is correct in her comments below about the effects of Hurricane Florence, why are these boats in the Pamlico?

If Dr. Noble is correct about shrimp being few and far between...What is the bycatch ratio for such trawling effort?

After a hurricane, those shrimp are blown out of estuaries and into deeper waters. They become difficult to find and the return on investment for going out to shrimp is simply not worth it, Noble said.
http://marine.unc.edu/people/faculty/rachel-noble/" rel="nofollow - http://marine.unc.edu/people/faculty/rachel-noble/

http://www.northcarolinahealthnews.org/2018/09/27/florence-adds-to-stress-for-workers-in-a-tough-industry/" rel="nofollow - http://www.northcarolinahealthnews.org/2018/09/27/florence-adds-to-stress-for-workers-in-a-tough-industry/

There are certainly fishermen affected by Hurricane Florence.  My prayers go out to them and their families.

As far as shrimping in NC where history shows 60% to 80% of shrimp are landed from the Pamlico Sound, it appears things are business as usual for the large industrial trawlers that land the majority of those shrimp.



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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.


Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 03 October 2018 at 9:25am
...as mentioned above several times, the AIS/MMSI data posted in this thread ONLY represents those boats actively transmitting a received signal.

There are boats below 65-feet in length that are not required by federal law to be equipped with a Class-B transmitter.

There are boats (65ft and >) required by federal law to not only have a Class-B transmitter, but to be actively transmitting a signal prior to leaving dock and until returning to dock, that are NOT COMPLIANT.

The F/V Lady Carolyn mentioned above as one of the "rockfish" boats is an example-

The Lady Carolyn hasn't transmitted a received signal since May 24th-


The vessel went into dry dock at Jarrett Bay on June 28th-



According to Hopkins' FB page, the Lady Carolyn started back shrimping on Aug 15th, rode out the storm in Fortescue Creek in the Pungo River and may have returned to shrimping this week.



Not once since May 24th has the F/V Lady Carolyn transmitted a received AIS/MMSI signal.

As you can see below, Jarrett Bay actually has a AIS/MMSI receiver on site actively transmitting positions of boats on the yard with transmitters that are still active while at the dock or in dry dock.


From the data above, the F/V Lady Carolyn appears to be a good example of a modern industrial trawler actively working the Pamlico Sound that is not transmitting a AIS/MMSI signal as required by federal law.




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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.



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