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    Posted: 08 October 2020 at 9:10am
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Best I can tell, after a group discussion, the Division recommendations are as follows- http://portal.ncdenr.org/c/document_...&groupId=38337

They plan to implement a statewide quota to all user groups with specific management strategies for each.

Commercial gears will be split into mobile (gill nets, gigs, etc...) that will be allowed to harvest 195,105 lbs annually and pound nets that will be allowed to harvest 195,388 lbs annually.

Mobile gears will be divided into two management areas (map on DMF docs) and pound nets will be maintained in the same three management areas as currently assigned in Amendment 2.
This designation will allow for staggered opening dates.

They are also considering trip limits for pound nets and gigs only to maximize any possible seasonal reopening after 80% closure threshold is reached. The division is not recommending trip limits on large mesh gill nets based on potential of higher discard mortality.

To reach the recreational quota of 141,859 lbs (126,315 from hook and line & 15,554 from gigging), they are proposing:

To implement (continue) recreational flounder seasons as below:
A one fish ocellated bag limit in a March 1 thru April 15 season (in the Increased Recreational Access Paper)
A one fish southern flounder bag limit in an August 16 thru September 30 season. Yes- To reduce the recreational bag limit for southern flounder to One fish.
To allow RCGL usage only when both recreational and commercial seasons are open.

Rational...recs only keep one flounder out of about ten caught in a trip. As the fishery improves, numbers go up as will size and therefore retained fish. Recs blow through the reduction. ...all while commercials get 76% of total combined quota. History has penalized rec landings with larger size limits and daily creel limits.

...and Florida announced this today- https://www.thefishingwire.com/relea...2-1149d006f1c7


OCTOBER 8, 2020

Florida FWC Approves Draft Flounder Rule

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Size:  375.2 KBAt its October Commission meeting, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) approved draft changes to the management of Florida’s flounder fishery including several updates that were made since the first draft rule proposal presented in July. The changes approved today will be brought back to the Commission in December for final consideration.

A recent stock status update suggested that the flounder fishery statewide has been in a general declining trend in recent years and is likely overfished and undergoing overfishing on the Atlantic coast of Florida. Other south Atlantic and Gulf states have also reported declines in flounder populations and have been making their own regulation changes.

FWC has been working with stakeholders to gather input on this fishery through workshops, online commenting and more.

Draft rule changes include:
  • Extend ALL FWC flounder regulations into federal waters.
  • Increase minimum size limit from 12 inches to 14 inches total length (recreational and commercial).
  • Reduce recreational bag limit from 10 to five fish per person.
  • Establish an Oct. 15 through Nov. 30 recreational closed season.
  • For commercial harvesters using allowable gear: Establish a commercial trip and vessel limit of 150 flounder from Dec. 1 – Oct. 14, and 50 flounder from Oct. 15 – Nov. 30.
  • Modify the incidental bycatch limit for commercial harvesters using non-allowable gear from 50 pounds to 50 fish.
  • Create a federal waters trawl bycatch limit of 150 flounder from Dec. 1 – Oct. 14, and 50 fish from Oct. 15 – Nov. 15.
To share your input on this draft proposal or to see more about what items the FWC Division of Marine Fisheries Management is working on, visit MyFWC.com/SaltwaterComments.

Learn more about flounder regulations at MyFWC.com/Marine.

For the full Oct. 22-23 agenda, including links to background reports, go to MyFWC.com/About and click on “The Commission” and “Commission Meetings.”

Edited by Rick - 08 October 2020 at 9:16am
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Who would pay for and haul a boat for hours to catch 1 flounder. Course you could add 1 gtrout
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We are throwing away dead 1 fish for every 1 harvested while hooking 9 others in the process, bc of, in part, the min size limit. But lowering size limit worries some that even more fish will be harvested bc instead of (really throwing half the gut hooked flounder back to die) we will catch and keep more males instead of spawning females ....either way I do not believe the law allows it. I agree w the need to set timelines btw.

If we are only catching 1 fish and going to a 1 fish bag limit only reduces harvest by 2% what does it really matter what the bag limit is? Effort.....

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Let's think about the Division's logic and expand it to the commercial side.

The Division says the rec limit has to go to one fish because creel surveys show the average rec angler is only keeping one fish today out of about ten fish landed and released due to size limit restrictions. The calculated rec quota includes that avg one fish landing. As stocks improve with harvest restrictions, greater numbers of fish and increased size will mean the avg rec trip landing will increase, which will cause rec harvest to exceed the quota.

Now let's consider the fact that 60% of all commercial SCFL/RSCFL licenses report zero landings under the trip ticket program. Hadley's 2015 survey of commercial licenses used for personal consumption found that almost 30% of latent commercial licenses were being used with landings going unreported. It has been speculated that a large % of those unreported landings are in the gillnet and gig founder fisheries. Those landings are not part of the commercial quota proposed under Amendment 3. They should be. The commercial quota should conservatively be reduced by 30%.

How many flounder trips that occur during the commercial season, whether by gig or gillnet, for personal consumption go unreported?  These unreported landings are commercial pounds that should go against the commercial quota.  Without these unreported landings, from highly efficient commercial gears, being factored into the commercial quota, there is no way the proposed FMP meets the 50% probability of succeeding in ending overfishing in two years and producing a recovered stock in ten years.


Edited by Rick - 09 October 2020 at 2:20pm
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