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    Posted: 03 June 2019 at 4:01pm

My heart felt sympathies go out to this little girl and her family, especially her father-




 What factor does trawl bycatch contribute to the increase in shark attacks?

This thread discussed that last year-




South Carolina has "restricted areas" where trawling is not allowed off its swimming beaches-


The NC Legislature needs to comprehensively address commercial fishing issues. Not only is it a resource issue related to sustainable fisheries, but it appears to be a public safety one as well.






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Just FYI, bogue banks has a 1/2” mile buffer that is closed to trawling
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Originally posted by chasintrout chasintrout wrote:

Just FYI, bogue banks has a 1/2” mile buffer that is closed to trawling
 

Doesn't appear to be codified in Rule-


Please provide a source.

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Plenty of hungry sharks around a trawler just out of Beaufort Inlet on Sunday afternoon late.
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A Harvard lawyer couldn’t find it in their rule book online. But I can tell you for a fact that if you call the dmf they will tell you it starts around oceana pier and runs west to Emerald Isle. I know because I’ve worked on boats that had to stay out of these areas and dmf frequently enforced this during tourist seasons.
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DMF enforced- oxymoron 😩
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If you dump 30 million pounds of chum into the water every year, you will attract A LOT of sharks to your coast.


We've even created a bull shark nursery in the pamlico.

The damage done by the trawlers is massive.   Berger/Cooper/Moore do NOT care.


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Originally posted by chasintrout chasintrout wrote:

A Harvard lawyer couldn’t find it in their rule book online. But I can tell you for a fact that if you call the dmf they will tell you it starts around oceana pier and runs west to Emerald Isle. I know because I’ve worked on boats that had to stay out of these areas and dmf frequently enforced this during tourist seasons.
 


...and now for the rest of the story.  (not a Harvard lawyer, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn once)

The only trawling restrictions off Bogue Banks (the area in question) address mesh size.  Trawling right up to the beach is legal as long as you are running the net size show in yellow below-





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That’s shrimp trawls you bozo. Anything under the size indicated is restricted. Shrimp trawls fall in that category.
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Originally posted by chasintrout chasintrout wrote:

That’s shrimp trawls you bozo. Anything under the size indicated is restricted. Shrimp trawls fall in that category.
 

Didn't the NCFA just test 1-3/4" and 1- 7/8" trawls and say they worked?  I agree it limits most boats, but it is not closed.  SC is closed- period.


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Tested tailbags not trawls. Most boats use close to that size mesh in ocean anyway.. It limits all boats if under 4”, which all of them are.
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Originally posted by chasintrout chasintrout wrote:

Tested tailbags not trawls. Most boats use close to that size mesh in ocean anyway.. It limits all boats if under 4”, which all of them are.
 

So what fishery is using gear that is allowed in the that area?  Is it just a de facto ban without calling it a ban?
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Sounds a lot like if you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. If you’re a commercial fisherman, you would blame it on heavy reatrictions on harvesting large coastal sharks for the last decade. :-)

Correlation does not imply causation.

IF blacktip, there are bunches around Beaufort Inlet and have been for the past two decades that I’m aware of.

Topwater fishery for them (shhhh) outside of Taylors Creek/inside the Inlet. And my buddy and I had a blast for ~ 15 years in the hole south of Sand Dollar Island.

Lots of blacktips, spinners and one lemon > 200#.

Sad for the girl with remarkable attitude and fortunate her dad was EMS trained.


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