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    Posted: 16 September 2018 at 9:39am
Interesting tactic that the antagonist uses. It's quite a bit like the promise of Caligula used often in Robert Graves's work about Caesar Augustus's family in administering Rome. But the implication was much bigger than, "...go kill yourself!" You see, the emperor made his "suggestion"fast with the promise that praetorian guards would follow you home to make sure you completed the deed. That is absolutely the implication here, that the antagonist will assuredly continue with his program, all others be damned. And the program is supported by the state, just in case you don't disappear by your own hand...... Which brings up the idea that AC participants are allowed to know that they can always just go away, and since they face the thinly veiled wrath of a shadow organization backed by the power of the state, fade away they evidently always do. That, my friends, is corruption writ deep in the fabric of our society, and it cries out for sunshine and fresh air. Let''s have some suggestions for staffing these positions. I nominate Nancy Fish for the commander of the praetorian guard. But that job floats well according to the situation, so, certainly the well formed enunciation of the MFC chairs has been in this spirit as well. Ol' scienops used his semi-anonymous ID here to threaten me over joint enforcement, and Corbett the Just seemed to have that in him, any flies off that wall still flitting around?
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I put out a little weekly e-newsletter I call Carolina Tidelines that goes out to over 100,000 email addresses. I can give you plenty of examples of threats and intimidation Flounderman. This is just the latest example:

Thu 8/30/2018 12:12 AM
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Re: Carolina TIDELINES (‎8/29/2018)

You are a loser, do the world a favor and Kill yourself 

Sent from my iPhone



Thu 8/30/2018 12:18 AM
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Re: Carolina TIDELINES (‎8/29/2018)

Gosh I have so much more to say but do ME a favor and commit suicide  

Sent from my iPhone


I have no illusions that everyone agrees with everything I write, but this is the type of discourse I receive from commercial supporters.


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I have been vandalized on the water but as soon as they realized "Mr. Ruger" was my lawyer, they backed off. Has happened twice, but not for a long time. Nobody wants to attack a crazy man.


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Good for you and good luck on being chosen.
I am a native of NC. The "bycatch captial of the east coast of the US". Our legislature lets us kill more fish for no reason than any other Atlantic Coast state. I hope they are proud.
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Originally posted by Ray Brown Ray Brown wrote:

Bakesta….the MFC can not change FRA '97. Until that is changed the system is what it is so you can either be part of it, barnacle about it, ignore it, or whatever.

For anyone out there who wishes to volunteer and I know some have since the earlier post this morning. Please go to the link below and at the bottom of the page you can print out a Word or PDF application and where to send it is explained.   You can ask for a specific committee or simply say you'll help where needed. Shrimp is coming up I'm sure and others will be too as well as replacements for others as people drop out.

You are reimbursed for mileage and meals in certain circumstances so the only thing this will cost you is your time. If you aren't willing to give up one night a month as an Advisor then I honestly do question how sincere you are in wishing reform to occur unless you have a physical or business reason that precludes you from driving at night.

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No, no floundermn, I made her swear it on a stack of bibles. Wink
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Originally posted by jtoler jtoler wrote:

Originally posted by FLOUDERMN FLOUDERMN wrote:

Originally posted by jtoler jtoler wrote:

I am saying that the described behavior is commonplace and reality. Slashed tires at boat ramps, on the water incidents that come very close to causing the loss of life, threats of property damage and/or loss of life if evidence of illegal activity is made public. Much like "bycatch" drum and striper being taken, packed, and shipped under the cover of darkness, the above mentioned incidents take place in the same manner. It's nothing more than a report; if that, made to a local law enforcement officer after the incident has occured. Then it's high fives and "atta boy" congratulatory pats on the back to the offender.  

Now let's get to the law enforcement/judge criminal investigation and conviction business. 
Cue the crickets. 

Are you applying to be on an AC? 



Oh horse hockey,has any of the mess you speak of happened to you or are you just repeating what others have told you?Funny thing thats not happening up this way and everyone knows Dare County has all the bad apples so ya'll say anyway!!
 

How I wish none of it were true floundermn. I'll give you one to ponder. Myself and a friend attended the big meeting in New Bern regarding nursery areas in estuarine waters. As we were walking up to the door to enter the convention center, there were people congregating adjacent to the entrance. Those people were handing out stickers for folks to wear. The sticker indicated that the person wearing the sticker supported shrimp trawling as it is and desired no changes. We both declined the sticker. At a break in the meeting, my friend got up to go to the restroom. If you have ever been in the ladies room when it is crowded you know that there is a lot of chatter, observations, and displays of true character; women are not always sugar, spice, and everything nice. During this simple trip to the restroom, my friend was called the "B" word by another woman who was wearing a sticker and noticed my friend was not. 
Classy, don't you think.
Did you see it or hear it yourself???No you didn't your friend could be telling little fibbs the old saying comes true believe nothing you hear and half what you see and trust no one!!Wink
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"Rick", I've addressed what parts of your statements are false, if you wish, your more than welcome to message, email, or call me as as I told so few of my applications it appears you maybe aware of something I am not. Unless you have other motives for your repeated attempts to seemingly "out" and or discredit me? Either way, it's a side show to the real issues.

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Originally posted by TomM TomM wrote:

Bad apples everywhere flounder and documented. Tires slashed boat lifts vandalized nails in driveways. Threats on phones and in person. Sad
Funny thing is we have just as many Recs and Comms putting over at ramps here and none of this happens here like ya'll claim now Duck season is a diffirent story!I think you boys and girls like to speak of what you have heard about happening not knowing if it truth or not but since a Commercial Fisherman was mentioned ya'll run with the BS spreading horse hockey.Just like every other story by the time it reaches the 4th and 5th person only about 15% of the story is correct!!
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Personally, I will be glad when the "user conflict" method of fisheries management is laid to rest and the "for the good of the resource" method is employed. 
Every person who fishes either commercially or recreationally should have more than a few questions for the DMF, MFC, each AC, and the legislators who suddenly have an interest in fisheries management. Why aren't our state managed fish in better shape? What is each of those entities doing to restore the stocks? Who is against restoring the stocks and why? At this point, there should be so much data that identifies the problem, and if our state agency can't suggest a solution, well, maybe we should find someone who will help. Does anyone actually believe that DMF staff don't know how bad it is? More importantly, why haven't they done their best to correct it? 
The whole thing reminds me of a little kid who doesn't want to eat what's on the supper plate. Just push it around the plate and hide it under the mashed potatoes. It's time to clean the plate y'all!
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Originally posted by FLOUDERMN FLOUDERMN wrote:

Originally posted by jtoler jtoler wrote:

I am saying that the described behavior is commonplace and reality. Slashed tires at boat ramps, on the water incidents that come very close to causing the loss of life, threats of property damage and/or loss of life if evidence of illegal activity is made public. Much like "bycatch" drum and striper being taken, packed, and shipped under the cover of darkness, the above mentioned incidents take place in the same manner. It's nothing more than a report; if that, made to a local law enforcement officer after the incident has occured. Then it's high fives and "atta boy" congratulatory pats on the back to the offender.  

Now let's get to the law enforcement/judge criminal investigation and conviction business. 
Cue the crickets. 

Are you applying to be on an AC? 



Oh horse hockey,has any of the mess you speak of happened to you or are you just repeating what others have told you?Funny thing thats not happening up this way and everyone knows Dare County has all the bad apples so ya'll say anyway!!
 

How I wish none of it were true floundermn. I'll give you one to ponder. Myself and a friend attended the big meeting in New Bern regarding nursery areas in estuarine waters. As we were walking up to the door to enter the convention center, there were people congregating adjacent to the entrance. Those people were handing out stickers for folks to wear. The sticker indicated that the person wearing the sticker supported shrimp trawling as it is and desired no changes. We both declined the sticker. At a break in the meeting, my friend got up to go to the restroom. If you have ever been in the ladies room when it is crowded you know that there is a lot of chatter, observations, and displays of true character; women are not always sugar, spice, and everything nice. During this simple trip to the restroom, my friend was called the "B" word by another woman who was wearing a sticker and noticed my friend was not. 
Classy, don't you think.
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Originally posted by Get Bowed Up Get Bowed Up wrote:

you wrongly accuse me of doing something I did not do. For the record that was the bases for my comment, and ask you either edit the comment or stop reposting.

Billy- I've asked you this before for which you failed to respond.  Are you denying that you filed an application to be considered for the Recreational Industry Seat on the commission?  Are you denying that you actively sought that position?  Did others seek that position for you on your behalf?



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Dear "Rick", I must give you credit for taking as long as you did to once again copy and paste your comment where you wrongly accuse me of doing something I did not do. For the record that was the bases for my comment, and ask you either edit the comment or stop reposting.

Again, if your going to name someone by name and accuse them of something on a highly view website, I believe the accused should know who is making the accusation & the accuser should be willing to put their own name on the line. However the rules of this site do not require such and I'll just have to accept that.

I do hope you had a great weekend and maybe we can meet (again?) At the November MFC meeting where I will be happily sitting in the designated public seating area. ;)
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Bad apples everywhere flounder and documented. Tires slashed boat lifts vandalized nails in driveways. Threats on phones and in person. Sad
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Originally posted by jtoler jtoler wrote:

I am saying that the described behavior is commonplace and reality. Slashed tires at boat ramps, on the water incidents that come very close to causing the loss of life, threats of property damage and/or loss of life if evidence of illegal activity is made public. Much like "bycatch" drum and striper being taken, packed, and shipped under the cover of darkness, the above mentioned incidents take place in the same manner. It's nothing more than a report; if that, made to a local law enforcement officer after the incident has occured. Then it's high fives and "atta boy" congratulatory pats on the back to the offender.  

Now let's get to the law enforcement/judge criminal investigation and conviction business. 
Cue the crickets. 

Are you applying to be on an AC? 



Oh horse hockey,has any of the mess you speak of happened to you or are you just repeating what others have told you?Funny thing thats not happening up this way and everyone knows Dare County has all the bad apples so ya'll say anyway!!
 


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Originally posted by jtoler jtoler wrote:

I am saying that the described behavior is commonplace and reality. Slashed tires at boat ramps, on the water incidents that come very close to causing the loss of life, threats of property damage and/or loss of life if evidence of illegal activity is made public. Much like "bycatch" drum and striper being taken, packed, and shipped under the cover of darkness, the above mentioned incidents take place in the same manner. It's nothing more than a report; if that, made to a local law enforcement officer after the incident has occured. Then it's high fives and "atta boy" congratulatory pats on the back to the offender.  

Now let's get to the law enforcement/judge criminal investigation and conviction business. 
Cue the crickets. 

Are you applying to be on an AC? 





I believe I will and have encouraged many others to do so as well. I'm on two AP's at the fed level but one is being removed due to removing cobia to the AS.
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Billy...I don't believe you've replied to my post below.  For someone that has strong "broad" opinions...why don't drill-in on some specifics by addressing the following-

Originally posted by Rick Rick wrote:

Originally posted by Get Bowed Up Get Bowed Up wrote:

If you truly believe in something, you should be willing you put your name on it.


So...Billy, as a person who lobbied hard to get the recreational industry seat that went to Cameron Boltes and one obviously interested in "fisheries issues" that doesn't mind sharing his opinion, I would be interested to know your detailed thoughts on-

1- Inshore shrimp trawling
2- The large mesh southern flounder gillnet fishery
3- Expanding pound net southern flounder fishery
4- Expanding water column leases north of Core Sound
5- Zero reported annual landings on close to 60% of all active SCFL/RSCFL
6- The CSMA Striped Bass Fishery
7- Allowing non-resident commercial fishermen to do in NC waters what they can't do in their home state





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I am saying that the described behavior is commonplace and reality. Slashed tires at boat ramps, on the water incidents that come very close to causing the loss of life, threats of property damage and/or loss of life if evidence of illegal activity is made public. Much like "bycatch" drum and striper being taken, packed, and shipped under the cover of darkness, the above mentioned incidents take place in the same manner. It's nothing more than a report; if that, made to a local law enforcement officer after the incident has occured. Then it's high fives and "atta boy" congratulatory pats on the back to the offender.  

Now let's get to the law enforcement/judge criminal investigation and conviction business. 
Cue the crickets. 

Are you applying to be on an AC? 



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Originally posted by jtoler jtoler wrote:


Originally posted by Get Bowed Up Get Bowed Up wrote:

No problem at on timing of reply. Please don't think my thought is founded in the belief the MFC should be mandated to adopt AC's suggestions. But, as the chair disclosed, he use to have several applications on file, now he has very few. That's a real problem.

I believe the resource, users, and industry all benefit from an educated and involved public.


Until those educated and involved members of the public fall victim to the criminal retaliations and/or publicized threats on their life, home, pets, and personal property. The commercial fishing industry players have been allowed to do what they do for so long with so little consequence, they truly believe that they are entitled to have whatever they want, no matter what it does to the resource or the environment.




Are you saying you or someone you know were victim's of these actions and law enforcement/judge wouldn't do anything bc they people were commercial??? S

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The marine fisheries reform needed in North Carolina will not come from ACs.

The votes for reform are supposedly on the MFC right now.   But they have not voted.  If they are now going to claim that they are waiting for advice from an AC, then they are just stalling.  


There are very BLATANT issues that need to be addressed immediately.  JUST DO IT ALREADY. 


Or tell us once again why we need to wait for............  the next meeting - the short session - the election - the DMF - the long session - the FMP - the new appointments - the solar eclipse - the monkey to fly out of my butt ..........................

Do it.


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Originally posted by Get Bowed Up Get Bowed Up wrote:

No problem at on timing of reply. Please don't think my thought is founded in the belief the MFC should be mandated to adopt AC's suggestions. But, as the chair disclosed, he use to have several applications on file, now he has very few. That's a real problem.

I believe the resource, users, and industry all benefit from an educated and involved public.

Until those educated and involved members of the public fall victim to the criminal retaliations and/or publicized threats on their life, home, pets, and personal property. The commercial fishing industry players have been allowed to do what they do for so long with so little consequence, they truly believe that they are entitled to have whatever they want, no matter what it does to the resource or the environment.
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No problem at on timing of reply. Please don't think my thought is founded in the belief the MFC should be mandated to adopt AC's suggestions. But, as the chair disclosed, he use to have several applications on file, now he has very few. That's a real problem.

I believe the resource, users, and industry all benefit from an educated and involved public.
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I apologize for not answering you sooner Billy. Please understand these are my thoughts and I do not speak for any group or entity. I am a simple NC citizen that is guaranteed the right to have an opinion. 😀 As are all of us.

Advisory boards are just that, advisors. There is nothing in the law anywhere that says the MFC must adopt the recommendations of an AC. As frustrating as that is to accept, it is paramount that it remain that way as NC has applied the law in order to get objectivity.

Let me give one example and it has to do with the complaint that began this thread. I served on both shrimp AC's. Let's talk about the objectivity of managing shrimp based on the recommendations of that committee. It began with 15 members. Three individuals who we shall call recreational anglers. One scientist. One channel netter. The other ten either trawled for shrimp or were married to someone who did. The committee made almost all recommendations that amounted to status quo. Two of the three recs resigned and were never replaced. On the last night, without the scientist in attendance, I was the only one voting that had no financial interest in shrimping. Were we really an objective advisory board?

The second shrimp AC had nine members. Five involved with the shrimp industry. Four who did not. The minutes will show a plurality of 5-4 votes. The DMF chose the co chairs with one to represent recreational sector and one the represent the commercial sector. Half way through we found that the DMF chosen co chair for the recreational industry owned a commercial fishing license in NC. He had disclosed it on his application and they put him there. The chairman of the MFC at the time is our current chairman and was never told when he signed off that the individual held that license. Nor was the director. A staffer did it. A staffer still employed.

So, until the chairman rearranges these committees to bring them back to the objectivity the law demands then,"no" there is no way I would bind the MFC to the words of an advisory board. They have become enablers and not advisors in many cases by the way they are currently manned. It appears the chairman is applying lessons learned the first time around.

Unfortunately, some of the folks that could help the chairman in this transformation are evidently choosing not to help him.

I hope I was clear in my thoughts.

Edited by Ray Brown - 02 September 2018 at 11:27am
I am a native of NC. The "bycatch captial of the east coast of the US". Our legislature lets us kill more fish for no reason than any other Atlantic Coast state. I hope they are proud.
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Ray, not surprised at all, some form of common ground understanding is a starting point to what can be productive conversation and possible action.

Marine science, as many scientists have harped to me, and as I continue to see while being apart of my first SEDAR stock assessment, comes with a lot of uncertainty, some fisheries have a lot more than others and having those in both industries is important in helping fill in the gaps. But, I see your point.



AC's and public comments, I advocated and will continue to do so, that IF an AC's recommendation and or large number of public comments say +50 comments are not adopted than either a letter of explanation from the chair, or individual commissioners shall be disbursed to the public within 14 days. And not just "bc X Made a motion and it passed 5 to 4". This for no other reason than to acknowledge the input of AC's and the public and provide clear documented rationale, it is a real problem when people feel there is no reason to be apart of the process bc their input or recommendations aren't even acknowledged. Yes, there is discussion on topics during the MFC meetings but like the comments in this thread support what I hear often "their minds are made up before the meeting." I believe they should explain their votes and reason for or against in these circumstances, if it requires more of their time, longer meetings, so be it, I think it's important.

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Originally posted by chasintrout chasintrout wrote:

Why have ac’s? Why volunteer to be part of them? It was clear the Mfc didn’t listen to their recommendations. The mfc is stacked just how the cca wants it. It’s a joke to even waste your time being part of it!

As I attended a few AC meetings, it was crystal clear that the commercial fishing industry made decisions based entirely on personal gain. Not one instance of regard for the health and viability of the resource did I witness. Your perspective is completely opposite of mine, yet we are talking about the same thing. If the CCA had as much influence as you imply, there would be no problem making a living entirely from commercial fishing, nor would the status of any state managed finfish or shellfish be anything other than... we got a ballyhoo load of 'em.

'ballyhoo load" was not what I typed. Sugar, Honey, Iced, Tea


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chasintrout Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 August 2018 at 8:34pm
Why have ac’s? Why volunteer to be part of them? It was clear the Mfc didn’t listen to their recommendations. The mfc is stacked just how the cca wants it. It’s a joke to even waste your time being part of it!
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No way in Hades would I ever serve on another AC under the current system.

During my two stints on the SE AC we dutifully went to our monthly meetings, met for 2-3 hours, discussed the issues that were assigned to us, and made our recommendations to the MFC.

Over time I noticed that no one on the MFC ever asked about our position on ANYTHING.

In fact, they would sometimes ask at MFC meetings how a particular AC voted on an issue that was being discussed.

In other words, they never bothered to check how a regional AC felt about an item that affected their area the most!

I once made a motion at one of our meetings that we request feedback from the MFC on our "recommendations". At least then we would know they had at least taken time to read them.

It passed unanimously because recs and comms alike on our committee were tired of being ignored.

Guess what.

The MFC never responded..........

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And speaking of Klausewitz, John McCain never met an interventionist war he didn't love. And what about those POW-MIAs he helped to leave in Indochina? They are in the same place as the fishes of North Carolina, dead and gone, and lied about as if the guys that did the deal are the heroes! Well they are not heroes who would take your fishes or sons and spread them upon the ground and tell you it was on YOUR behalf that it was done, when the true reason is nothing but darkness and corrupted self-enrichment.
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You can't expect a corrupted organ to "heal" itself and start behaving without proper "treatment". The more time and disorder or corruption that takes place, the lower the probability that the organism, or organization can EVER be made well again, and only the dim witted expect the thing to get its sh!t together without the strong hand of a reforming executive or governing body. The body won't adopt conservation and say it out loud? STATUS QUO! By any stretch, the MFC must be made a safe place to conduct scientific and conservationist management, which is a diametrically opposite direction to what it's been doing for conscious memory. This change is the only one that can possibly pull small comm's nuts out of the corporate fire they might have supported, and it's damn sure the only way that anglers and other stakeholders will ever see a decent divergence from the shrimp-hegemony of the corporate scorched earth boocrap we are consistently fed in lieu of resource management. I don't mean to degrade bizzy's effort to be where he is, I just think the whole damn process needs a fire lit under its ass! The governor is minimally engaged, evidently, so the idea of make some damn useful changes to the trajectory of the thing will come from us, or EXPECT the wrath of me and anybody else who wants the state employees, MFC members and the Deq to do their damn jobs and conserve the resource. As it is, we get the Klausewitzian stiff arm from a government of hogs who even set up a secret DMV office in Raleigh, to satisfy their above it all attitude, PRECISELY the way the DMF has stuck it to us for decades, but because attention will find the dmv issue by sheer dint of numbers of people who hate the dmv, the dmv will get the therapy that is woefully missing in the fishery process. We have every reason to consider a body to continue in its corrupt trajectory when we are without any tacit recital or demonstration that reform and rehabilitation of lost fishery abundance is paramount. No other regime need apply. And, no, you wouldn't trust me to play well in that rarified air because it's a boiler room where fisheries go to die, as far as it looks to me. We have watched as they DIED at the hands of this state, its employees, and the lesser gods they serve. But it sure ain't us, or the resource that has guided the hand, and without determined, explicit change, then the discussion here will be THE ONLY PLACE WHERE A SOLUTION HAS BEEN PROPOSED.
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