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    Posted: 08 June 2018 at 4:23pm
For years they have claimed to be the voice of the small family fisherman in NC, but suddenly they have "no opinion"?

Well, Represenative McElraft took a stand and now NC Watermen United takes a stand....where is the so called "representative of the working waterman" on this, don't those "hard working commercial fishermen" that you have used as pawns for years really need your voice now?

I tip my hat to Mr. Beasley and his board for taking this stand and what should I raise, or wave, to NCFA's board for standing on the backs of small family fishermen for years and then are silent when they are really threatened?


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June 8, 2018
Dear Representative,
The North Carolina Watermen United (NCWU) is opposed to parts of House Bill 361, as re-written on June 6, 2018.
We do not want the area of Shellfish Permits to be raised to 300 acres that would allow corporations to buy up leases for much of the available coastal waters and curtail the activity of “small” fishermen who supplement their incomes with smaller plots. Allowing corporations to lease large acreages would require that both commercial and recreational fishermen would have to maneuver “around and in-between” these areas.
Further, 300 acre-areas would allow corporations to move into places that have previously been used for duck blinds – a lucrative business that many North Carolina guides have always used for duck and goose hunting every fall for both in-state and out-of-state visitors.
And we are absolutely opposed to designating the interested parties as “residents,” who have been in-state for a period of ONLY six months or domiciled for 60 days. What an affront to our fishermen who live here permanently; many of whose families have been here for hundresds of years, ekeing out a living on the water!
This action seems to be a move to bring “Industrialized Aquaculture” into our state. And, the Bill does not provide for any oversight by the NC Division of Marine Fisheries that should be consulted about issues such the sites for lease, conflicts with public use, interference with traditional fishing grounds and the potential for litigation expenses.
Thank you for your interest in fishery issues.
Yours truly,
Perry Wood Beasley
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Edited by Ray Brown - 08 June 2018 at 4:25pm
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Hate to admit but I thought the NCWU and NCFA were the same thing.


Just assumed it was the same leaders under 2 differnet organization names.


Has the NCFA made any statement?  

At least NCWU recognizes what this bill means.    A 300 acre lease means that not a crab pot, a jet ski, a gill net, a fishing lure, a kid on a tube, or even a cast net will ever be in that water again.  


I wonder if any of our usual suspects will become paid lobbyists for the industry next year?






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Originally posted by bakesta bakesta wrote:

Hate to admit but I thought the NCWU and NCFA were the same thing.


Just assumed it was the same leaders under 2 differnet organization names.


Has the NCFA made any statement?  

At least NCWU recognizes what this bill means.    A 300 acre lease means that not a crab pot, a jet ski, a gill net, a fishing lure, a kid on a tube, or even a cast net will ever be in that water again.  


I wonder if any of our usual suspects will become paid lobbyists for the industry next year?
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IF its a water column lease, yes you cant go in.  If its a bottom lease, in theory you can.  But with all the theft, it might not be prudent.

Modern mariculture utilizes floating cages that require a column lease. 

A long time operation in Stump Sound had a 100 acre bottom lease and a 1 acre column lease.  Care to speculate on which one produced more oysters?






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I don't know of any operation that size in Stump Sound.
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Prolly nothing until they have a board meeting.
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Originally posted by BaitWaster BaitWaster wrote:

Prolly nothing until they have a board meeting.

But they were more than happy to comment on the two other bills that were filed after the fact?


H-1049, “Support Sustainable Fisheries Communities”There was no action on this bill. It was filed on May 30th and sponsored by Rep. Michael Speciale and co-sponsored by Reps Beverly Boswell, Carl Ford, George Cleveland, Larry Pittman, Michelle Presnell, Mike Clampitt & Bob Steinburg and Howard Hunter.

NCFA strongly endorses this bill!

H-1063, “Commercial Fishing License Reforms”:  There was no action on this bill. It was filed on May 31st and sponsored by Reps Larry Yarborough, Jimmy Dixon, Ted Davis, & Billy Richardson and co-sponsored by Rep. Stephen Ross. H-1063. It should be noted that Rep. Billy Richardson took his name off the bill as a sponsor.

NCFA strongly OPPOSES this bill!

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I guess Jerry doesn't wish to face his minority board members until he finishes wrapping up Cooke Seafood's business in a nice package.


Weekly Update for June 15, 2018 as a pdf

NCFA BOARD MEETING POSTPONED!
NCFA's Board meeting that was scheduled for this coming Monday has been postponed due to scheduling conflicts including the wrap-up of the General Assembly. The new date to be announced.


You notice that Jerry AGAIN avoids taking a stance on the oyster bill-

LEGISLATIVE UPDATE

Another busy week in Raleigh where the House went till midnight on Wednesday and Thursday. Since both the Senate and House did a veto override of the budget and the budget is now finished, they're scrambling to finish up. They'll be back next week and should adjourn by the end of the week.

It appears that any debate of the fisheries bills is finished, although that's never a safe statement till they leave, but here's an update. Keep in mind that just because you're told something as final, it doesn't mean it's final!

S-738, "Support Shellfish Industry"was filed on May 23rd. The bill number is now H-361.
The bill was passed by the Senate and sent to the House, where the House voted 113 - 0 to not concur with the Senate, meaning it went to a conference committee made up of House and Senate members to try to come to an agreement about what the bill contains. A conference report was agreed to and signed but not all of the conferees had signed the report.

On Friday morning, the Senate voted 28-9 to agree with the conference report, meaning they passed the Shellfish bill. All of the opposition was from Democrats with Democrats Clark and McKissick joining the Republicans in support.

On the House side, Speaker Tim Moore was wanting to put it on "today's calendar", meaning the Friday calendar, but Rep. Pricey Harrison, objected, so the bill was referred to Rules. That's the last time the bill was mentioned yesterday. It would appear that the bill is dead, but the resurrection process works well in the General Assembly.

The other two bills we've been watching, H-1049, "Support Sustainable Fisheries Communities", and H-1063, "Commercial Fishing License Reforms", are dead for this session. (See the notes above about resurrection, but it really is doubtful anything will happen to either.

NCFA is in support of H-1049 and opposed to H-1063.



Edited by Rick - 19 June 2018 at 10:01am
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"where is the NCFA?" -

Well, it depends... Dante's Inferno gives the 3rd circle of hell to gluttons, and they certainly want to help themselves and their members to the lions share of fish.   They could well be there.

His 4th circle is for greed. You have a good chance to find them there.

However, my bet is the 8th circle of hell, which is populated by corrupt politicians, hypocrites, evil advisors, and divisive individuals. My guess is they can be found there, hosting a fish fry of river herring.




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I have a question...

For someone that "doesn't have a position" and will not allow his rank-n-file board members the opportunity to address the issue at a board meeting to "develop a position"

...how do you "work" a piece of legislation on the halls of Jones Street without having a position?


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The NCFA board has held the rank and file hostage for years, this time it simply is too easy for all to see as they wouldn't take a position, and then on Monday night cancelled a meeting so they wouldn't have to talk about it with the general membership even behind closed doors.

ALL interested fishing groups with Boards that make decisions should take a close look at this scenario and NEVER take positions or issue papers without simultaneously releasing the same information to your membership.   Members feel left out, confused, and in the end become dubious of what the board is doing to the point of not supporting the organization or the board itself. 

Doing business in the dark may have been in vogue, but the street is saying that it no longer is.


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Key question is it out of vogue for enough to affect the outcome of this legislation or dI'd the additional lobbyists take care of it
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Lobbyist$ are certainly listened to...but voters vote and it is an election year.

Please write and call your House member NOW!

This will be over this afternoon or pushed to the long-session in 2019, which is what we need.

Click on their name- get their phone number and email.

Everyone should hit John Bell and Tim Moore.

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We will not know the answer to that until the session is over.

Make no mistake, large scale aquaculture is coming to NC's waters, but this bill leaves too many questions unanswered and too many loose definitions that could become a watery Pandora's box.  Time and a little thought will make this a better bill for all.

Plus, there is nothing in it whatsoever to balance the offset of basically privatizing large tracts of public waters.  If the law is going to set aside some water for exclusive commercial activities then what and how much is set aside strictly for the resource and what amount and for what is set aside strictly for recreational or personal consumption fishermen.   I mean you can't literally wipe out the nursery area of spot, croaker, and gray trout in NC, harvest 85% of the southern flounder, 80% of wild oysters and then want to set aside acres and acres of water for the exclusive use of industry without going back and giving back priority use to those who don't fish or harvest for money from the wild.

This bill does exactly what the NCFA has claimed the recs have been trying to do with legislation for years and in truth have never done.  This bill, as written, will take huge tracts of water and all its content away from the recreational industry which as an economic engine is 6 times larger than the net based commercial industry in NC.  But this bill, as written, builds on the net based industry and every take away comes from the general public's use of the resource and this committee to oversee the management will all be industry.

It's never been about the small guy in NC's waters, this bill has proven to many in Raleigh that is was always about the few who benefit financially the most.

Can this state not craft one piece of fishery management that has the resource at the core and the playing field level in the fine print?
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Originally posted by Ray Brown Ray Brown wrote:



Can this state not craft one piece of fishery management that has the resource at the core and the playing field level in the fine print?

No.
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The Rules Committee of the House where the bill is sitting is now in session and can be heard here until the meeting adjourns. If they choose to move this on to the full House it will have to be approved here first this morning.


Rules adjourned at approximately 12:25 this morning and never mentioned HB 361.  It is still in this committee and unless it finds a favorable report there it will be sitting there when the session adjourns.

BUT....the session has not adjourned and may not for another week or so.



Edited by Ray Brown - 20 June 2018 at 12:27pm
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