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Originally posted by BaitWaster BaitWaster wrote:

Originally posted by Ray Brown Ray Brown wrote:

In addition, how many times has NCFA called an emergency board meeting in the past rather than wait until after a legislative vote for a regularly scheduled meeting to occur?

What emergency meeting?

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ClapWOW!!!!!!!!!

This looks like a win for the Sound.

I wonder if there was a general bad taste associated with this bill due to the underhanded way it got pushed through?   Perhaps somebody in the house realized that "what goes around comes around" and decided this company wasn't worth using that much political capital.


whatever - well done CCA, NCWU, NCWF, barking dogs, etc!  (can you believe the first 2 on that list were on the same side for something !!???)

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Originally posted by Ray Brown Ray Brown wrote:

Now that it has passed the Senate but failed in the house it will go to a committee to try and reconcile. The word is that some legislators are saying, "we have to give Cooke something to keep them here."


If they stop and think about it... Cooke doesn't matter. They mean nothing to the state (other than campaign contributions). If they can't make all the money they want to here, they will sell their NC assets to someone else. The assets will remain, even if the company leaves.

If the state comes up with a well crafted aquaculture plan, one that protects the interests of the state, there will be companies that will want to partner with the state to implement it to grow fish and to protect the coast and the existing resources. The answer may not be in large scale farming that blocks access for many people, and damages tourism, but in smaller blocks of land and working waterfronts.

I commend the NC house for thinking about the future, not just this year.   
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Zoom in and look at leasing in VA creeks and rivers.

https://webapps.mrc.virginia.gov/public/maps/chesapeakebay_map.php
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The robust shunting of this boondoggle to the legislative round file gives heart to the one who fears the unwavering greed of those who normally run the estuarine show. That he who has exerted this greed in shaping our dying sound(southern flounder, lost spot, croaker and weakfish populations, miles of untended gill nets, etc.) now must have fear of an even higher strain of greed, and bring that fear to the fore in this seeming positive development, is probably only a hiccup in the state's march toward a fully inaccessible and nonproductive sound. That our own people have wrought what is, is inescapable; that the native mistrust of the Canadian horde was good fishery science is unarguable; that the native thrust to piss down our necks where our heads had been and call it rain, will certainly remain. Witness BW's quiet equanimity in the face of Cooke's onslaught to wrest the mantle of control, to show us his calm knowledge that ncfa would not tip its hand at the eleventh hour for the Canadian beachhead, suggests that the eschelon of those more correctly knowing, have now to revert to the conventional homegrown attack on these publicly held resources that we cry to restore, and continue to see whither, or are already gone.
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Equally telling will be the rallying round of NCWU, et al to the NCFA as if all has been forgiven. The commercial side will now begin its bleat that it is the seat of conservation, and we will marvel that not one fish was ever conserved under its tutelage, God given as it was, such that only the anointed can see the glory, and we shall see only the slick they left.
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Originally posted by chriselk chriselk wrote:

I also fear that this bill may have been more about fish farming, than oyster mariculture.  Cooke did just buy Omega Protein.  Oysters don't eat menhaden.
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Originally posted by todobien todobien wrote:

Zoom in and look at leasing in VA creeks and rivers.

https://webapps.mrc.virginia.gov/public/maps/chesapeakebay_map.php


Great link-

Think about something like this happening in Turnigan Bay, South River, Long Bay, West Bay, up in the Pungo...





It is already happening in the Newport River-


...and Nelson's Bay



This needs to slow down with proper oversight given to a long-range plan.

The people of NC must receive adequate compensation for allowing our public trust waters to be converted to private enterprise.  There must be a total review of all fisheries with unsustainable gears and methods being replaced by sustainable aquaculture that doesn't conflict with historical uses and addresses viewshed concerns.


Edited by Rick - 12 June 2018 at 10:46am
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Originally posted by cnaff cnaff wrote:

Equally telling will be the rallying round of NCWU, et al to the NCFA as if all has been forgiven. The commercial side will now begin its bleat that it is the seat of conservation, and we will marvel that not one fish was ever conserved under its tutelage, God given as it was, such that only the anointed can see the glory, and we shall see only the slick they left.

Yes the NCFA has really been throwing the sustainability word around a lot. It is on their billboards and all over their website. But anyone who knows about otter trawls knows the truth of how sustainable they really are. They have done a wonderful job of sustaining spot, croaker, and weakfish over the past several decades. 

If their methods are so sustainable then why not have an independent third party such as seafood watch some in and certify them so?

There is a reason why the amount of shrimp from aquaculture (that is being successfully done in the United States and isn't the foreign boogeyman that most comms make it out to be) is taking a greater share every year of seafood consumed. 

The technology is there to farm shrimp indoors, year round, without bycatch. 





There are also plenty of empty warehouses all over eastern North Carolina where operations like this could be successfully set up. If you don't believe be driven through Rocky Mount, Wilson, Goldsboro, or Kinston. 

Grants could be available through the state. It would be money well spent. 





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This bill died today for this session. In the end it became apparent others have learned to play the game.

Aquaculture is coming to NC in a big way, but not this year and this way.

Thanks to all who fought it.
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This then, brings up the question of " Does international junk-pile, fish disease, and general toxic warfare on Arthropoda purveyor, Cooke Aquaculture, play the political game of its own devising, and honor its ultimatum to the citizens of GONC, who have rejected its untoward advance upon our virgin breasted estuary, leaving the fabulous open vistas, until now peppered only by the occasional big shrimper, to the Carolinians, for us to fawn and fret over, without the overweening stink of search and destroy aquaculture and the lay-on-the-exoskeleton-breaching-chemicals school of how it's done or screw you guys, I'm going home thug-type rhetoric?" Hmmmm? Of course their soul mates at the ncfa will still be here to keep the fire going, whatever Cooke decides.
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Alert... alert!

Senator Bill Cook is now threatening retribution to any house member who has a bill in the Senate if that representative doesn't push for a vote in the House and a vote for HB 361 in the House. He chairs the Senate finance committee; the money!

It is beyond a power play by a retiring senator.   It has moved to a potential economic windfall for a retired member of the legislature.

Call everyone that represents you in Raleigh and let them know how you feel. Cooke and Cook aren't taking no for an answer. They see a pearl in this bill and are determined that it be theirs.


Edited by Ray Brown - 16 June 2018 at 2:47pm
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Budget has passed and he is almost extinct. Is this a serious threat?
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I am being told that he is not on budget. Here, this is correct info... but he is after those folks who pushed the Farm Bill.

Bill isn't on the Finance Committee. He is co-chair of both the Agriculture/Environment/Natural Resources     and
Appropriations on Agriculture, Natural, and Economic Resources committees. He is a member of Commerce and Insurance,
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Cook is "retiring" to become a paid lobbyist for Cooke for whom he is already not only lobbying but enacting laws...you think?

Call it. Go home. Come back in January without Cook.

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So is H361 going to be heard this week or passed this session?
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This is politics, you never know what can happen.

The funniest thing I have seen is Bob Steinberg asking on Facebook for input on this bill. The same guy that once said the general public should not be listened to on these matters.

Must be an election year!
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Based on responses I hAve seen it look's like his commenters are against it
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I am being told to ask that anyone against 361 needs to call or write their house member NOW if you want to make sure it stays dead. It will flirt with rebirth at 10 am tomorrow, but having a 113-0 initial vote to reverse will be hard, but two new lobbyists showed up yesterday in Raleigh working hard for Cooke Aquaculture aka Wanchese Fish Company.

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Withdrawn, kind of like 361 seems to be.  However, I can now say without question that leadership of the NCFA was, and continues to be supportive of this bill in spite of what they have told some of their members or tried to imply by deflection of any discussion regarding it.  In time, if not before the day is out, this will be crystal clear to everyone.




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Thx Ray. Hope so.
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There is not room for all this crap. With all of the existing pound nets, shrimping, gill nets, 1000000000 crab pots. Anyone who is for mariculture in our inshore waters needs their head examined.
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