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    Posted: 14 May 2018 at 11:37am
The Pamlico Sound "draggers" have severely reduced spot, croaker, gray trout, summer flounder, southern flounder and blue crab, all consumers of shrimp.

Shrimp abundance has exploded in NC for the past three seasons.

Shrimp is KING.  The lowly spot, croaker and gray trout are expendable under MFC/DMF management goals.

Here's what happens to shrimp when cod is King and managed for return.


Theodore Genge has a big beautiful new dragger that’ll be ready to head for “the Labrador” as soon as the sea ice loosens its grip on Anchor Point. When the 63-year-old Newfoundland fisherman began building the $2.2 million trawler two years ago he had 750,000 pounds worth of shrimp quota to catch. But plummeting shrimp numbers in the cold water off Labrador have led Fisheries and Oceans Canada to drastically carve into quotas for that coast. Genge expects that by April he’ll be left with a total of 300,000 lbs of quotas — 220,000 lbs in the Gulf of St. Lawrence, where there is still plenty of shrimp, and 80,000 lbs on the Labrador coast.

The northern cod are coming back.  And they’re eating the shrimp that had taken over their home range off the Labrador coast and northern Grand Banks. 

The return of the once mighty northern cod stock may be a boon for the natural world and, eventually, for the humans who haul them from the sea, process them and eat them.  After all, their disappearance 25 years ago almost killed the east coast fishing industry and seriously maimed the Atlantic provinces.  Now their return brings economic and social upheaval.

For the last decade the northern cod stock has been increasing at a rate of about 30 per cent per year. Fisheries and Oceans Canada’s 2016 stock assessment estimated its total biomass at around 300,000 tonnes.  That’s well short of the million tonnes Fisheries and Oceans has pegged as the size of a healthy resource. But it’s ten times as many fish as were there were on July 2, 1992, when former fisheries minister John Crosbie announced the cod moratorium that resulted in the biggest layoff in Canadian history – an estimated 45,000 jobs.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/newfoundland-cod-fishing-sustainability-fogo-island/article37170825/

http://www.thestar.com/business/2017/03/27/newfoundlands-northern-cod-making-a-comeback-25-years-after-commercial-fishing-ban.html




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To the DMF, biodiversity is a made up word.
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Interesting that in all those articles only the fishermen are saying the cod are eating the shrimp. I suppose that is an attempt to justify a greater and earlier cod fishery.

I wonder what species will be blamed for blue crab issues in NC? Was that bull shark article a set up?
Shrimp trawling never stops in Pamlico Sound. It just pauses on the weekend so crabs can remove the dead and dying from the battlefield.
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It will be the drum and the stripers Ray. 
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Definitely the drum!
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Originally posted by chasintrout chasintrout wrote:

Definitely the drum!

Told ya Ray! LOL
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Dog sharks eating all the grey trout😜
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The sad part is, I think he actually believes the BS he says. 
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Downeast Brain Trust talking point-


Pam Morris- Vice-Chair, NCMFC Southern Regional Advisory Committee-   "Red Drum is a scourge..."


Ken Seigler- (Internet poster: Buddy Roe)- NCMFC Finfish Advisory Committee Member


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Good to know them eating all the crabs and gtry trout has allowed herring stocks to rebound such that there are more than there have ever been. I also guess there were very few trout and crabs in the 1800s when the hsul seines were catching ton's of rock fish in the spring
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Y’all are just a bunch of sour pusses!
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The Vice Chair thinks red drum are a scourge!!? I’m sure those morons are aware of a thing called the “ internet”. So I can only conclude they actually believe this. Also noted that they’d like to revisit commercial limits and slot. Kill one species to profit more from another. What a great plan.
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Originally posted by chasintrout chasintrout wrote:

Dog sharks eating all the grey trout😜
   What trout? Oh the bycatch.
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Originally posted by kshivar kshivar wrote:

The Vice Chair thinks red drum are a scourge!!? I’m sure those morons are aware of a thing called the “ internet”. So I can only conclude they actually believe this. Also noted that they’d like to revisit commercial limits and slot. Kill one species to profit more from another. What a great plan.


...and that is why the ACs are a joke and a waste of taxpayer monies. 

We have regulatory capture of senior Division leadership (I'm excluding Director Murphy at this point).

We have complete de facto regulatory capture of the science seats on the ACs due to dependence of grant monies coming from the Division.

Members of the ACs are appointed to support the Division's goals of keeping as many people and types of gears fishing for as often and as long as possible.  The goal is funding the Division with license and permit fees. 

Sustainable resource management doesn't even have a backseat on the bus.  At best- it's on top of the bus holding on for dear life.




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Excellent examples come right out in the open here. 1) Rick and Ray have carried considerable weight in this long running expose of the bureaucratic farce which plays out under the political farce rolling under the auspices of the coastal power play farce where at each level, we are being ripped off, having our heritage stolen, and burgled out of our public trust resources. I would recommend a Pulitzer for Rick and his ongoing compendium of state and industry lies which prop up the profitable tragicomedy, while honest people grit their teeth and try to keep from getting their tires slashed or their "heads rolled",as chasintrout says. If the material Rick has compiled ever reaches the eyes of a judge worth its salt, in a proper court of fishery conspiracy review, the speediness of justice might change to immediate barnacle slap and restraining order for the thug side. 2) chasintrout is fine in its exemplary portrayal of that rarified creature in the famous line about courtroom representation wherein we would, based on the trajectory we witness here, exhort it to, by all means, represent itself, if it were brought to the docket for testimony in its own defense. I believe Ray's carefully chosen words have worked magic in eliciting responses from the trollish raconteur which neatly illustrate the various modes of obfuscation, distraction and outright synthesis of the frontier jibberish the thing is in possession of in utter mastery. Perhaps we should institute the Perry Mason prize for Ray's crafty approach. It couldn't be the Matlock prize, because that old warhorse, who once seemed great, was unfortunately close enough to the ongoing PTB structure that we could have counted on him to support the continued dis-integration of angling and fish in the life of your average citizen and/or tourist in
the state of NC, if for no other reason than to keep em out of his back yard, and keep the gift fish coming in volume.
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