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    Posted: 10 May 2018 at 9:11am
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Would love to see the same data for the top five from10, 20 and 25yrs ago versus where they rank today.
It probably would be depressing, yet illuminating.

Edited by cwilli - 10 May 2018 at 9:24am
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shrimp looks way up
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It certainly doesn't paint the picture of a 50% to 75% decrease in Effort that the Division likes to talk about.

I guess there's nothing much left to eat the shrimp except the major predator of both shrimp and juvenile spot, croaker and gray trout in the Pamlico Sound- the estuarine shrimp trawler pulling greater than 90-feet of headrope.





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The Division likes to talk about "all the small boats"






What the Division doesn't like to talk about is the handful of players that are landing 80+% of the shrimp...the big four bangers raping the Pamlico Sound.


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so assuming 4 lbs bycatch/1llb shrimp that would close to 56000000lbs of bycatch
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13.8 million pounds of shrimp times 3 pounds of bycatch per pound of shrimp = 41.4 million pounds of bycatch.


41.4 million pounds of bycatch times 20 fish per pound  = 828 MILLION DEAD FISH Angry   Mostly croaker, spot, and weakfish.


That's a dead nursery area.Dead



No wonder bull sharks have moved in.Confused  They have a steady supply of food.

And if you want to complain about water quality---- 41.4 million pounds of dead stuff being dumped in every year definitely does NOT help.



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Originally posted by TomM TomM wrote:

so assuming 4 lbs bycatch/1llb shrimp that would close to 56000000lbs of bycatch

...only if you count it  Wink

Kevin Brown's 2009 study found about a 3.2:1 ratio with an average 22-count per pound of bycatch.

So-  13,892,730 pounds of shrimp x 3.2 pounds of bycatch per pound of shrimp x 22 "creatures" per pound of bycatch = 978,048,192 (almost 1-Billion) creatures of economic, forage and biodiversity importance.

Don't forget how important shrimp are as a forage species in the primary and secondary nursery areas for developing juvenile finfish like red drum, spotted seatrout, spot, croaker, gray trout, southern flounder and summer flounder, and for the blue crab.

The ones highlighted in red are the species that Brown confirmed to me in an email were excluded from bycatch calculations in the 2015 reduction trials that the industry is heading up.

Kevin Brown Study:  All Nets.          
Pamlico Sound Of Fish Weight # Fish Bycatch Tot Catch
Bycatch Specie Landed Landed Pounds Per Pound % by wt % by wt
Atlantic Croaker 787,633 40,493 19.5 44.32% 33.9%
Spot 404,076 15,495 26.1 16.96% 12.99%
Weakfish 213,578 7,783 27.4 8.52% 6.52%
Mantis Shrimp 185,545 5,033 36.9 5.51% 4.22%
Atlantic Brief Squid 148,065 3,226 45.9 3.53% 2.70%
Blue Crab 14,585 2,006 7.3 2.20% 1.68%
Atlantic Menhaden 10,532 1,421 7.4 1.55% 1.19%
Southern Kingfish 6,314 957 6.6 1.05% 0.80%
Pinfish 10,058 894 11.2 0.98% 0.75%
Summer Flounder 5,275 877 6.0 0.96% 0.74%
Atlantic Cutlassfish 1,862 716 2.6 0.78% 0.60%
Atlantic Thread Herring 8,305 537 15.5 0.59% 0.45%
Southern Flounder 940 324.1 2.9 0.35% 0.27%
Anchovies 15743 245.6 64.1 0.27% 0.21%
Spanish Mackerel 676 196.6 3.4 0.22% 0.16%
Silver Perch 2129 191.8 11.1 0.21% 0.16%
Silver Seatrout 7349 144.5 50.9 0.16% 0.12%
Bluefish 496 137.0 3.6 0.15% 0.11%
Threadfin Shad 653 92.2 7.1 0.10% 0.08%
Pigfish 1094 67.5 16.2 0.07% 0.06%
Banded Drum 153 55.3 2.8 0.06% 0.05%
Lookdown 1103 42.5 25.9 0.05% 0.04%
Atlantic Sharpnose Shark 19 3060.0 0.0 3.35% 2.56%
Lesser Blue Crab 134 28.6 4.7 0.03% 0.02%
Spotted Seatrout 127 21.1 6.0 0.02% 0.02%
American Eel 45 19.7 2.3 0.02% 0.02%
Eels 12 14.1 0.9 0.02% 0.01%
Ocellated Flounder 63 10.1 6.2 0.01% 0.01%
Northern Kingfish 45 6.2 7.3 0.01% 0.01%
Cero 128 5.6 22.7 0.01% 0.00%
Northern Puffer 51 5.4 9.4 0.01% 0.00%
Gulf Flounder 5 1.5 3.4 0.00% 0.00%
Bay Anchovy 246 1.0 253.6 0.00% 0.00%
African Pompano 19 0.8 22.7 0.00% 0.00%
Herrings 13 0.4 34.7 0.00% 0.00%
Crevalle Jack 5 0.1 45.4 0.00% 0.00%
Florida Pompano 5 0.1 45.4 0.00% 0.00%
Portunus Crabs 86540 1856.5 46.6 2.03% 1.56%
Inshore Lizardfish 8316 1141.2 7.3 1.25% 0.96%
Jellyfish 100 997.6 0.1 1.09% 0.84%
Alantic Spadefish 16620 593.8 28.0 0.65% 0.50%
Harvestfish 24219 473.2 51.2 0.52% 0.40%
Hogchoker 5247 416.5 12.6 0.46% 0.35%
Bay Whiff 6320 334.1 18.9 0.37% 0.28%
Atlantic Stingray 245 301.8 0.8 0.33% 0.25%
Butterfish 2145 266.0 8.1 0.29% 0.22%
Tonguefishes 4121 199.5 20.7 0.22% 0.17%
Swimming Crabs 5991 139.4 43.0 0.15% 0.12%
Smooth Butterfly Ray 96 114.1 0.8 0.12% 0.10%
Striped Burrfish 144 95.5 1.5 0.10% 0.08%
Searobins 1861 84.7 22.0 0.09% 0.07%
Aluterus Filefishes 2580 83.2 31.0 0.09% 0.07%
Butterfly Rays 22 48.5 0.5 0.05% 0.04%
Cownose Ray 13 31.9 0.4 0.03% 0.03%
Blood Ark 276 29.5 9.3 0.03% 0.02%
Libinia Spider Crabs 71 15.7 4.5 0.02% 0.01%
Horned Whiff 157 10.4 15.1 0.01% 0.01%
Oyster Toadfish 16 7.1 2.3 0.01% 0.01%
Atlantic Bumper 180 3.6 49.5 0.00% 0.00%
Combtooth Blennies 51 2.2 22.9 0.00% 0.00%
Hermit Crabs 39 1.7 22.7 0.00% 0.00%
Smooth Puffer 26 1.7 15.3 0.00% 0.00%
Atlantic Seabob 44 1.0 45.4 0.00% 0.00%
Windowpane 13 0.6 23.6 0.00% 0.00%
Bycatch  1,992,534 91,363 21.809097 100.00% 76.58%
           
White Shrimp 16274 753.0 21.6 2.7% 0.63%
Pink Shrimp 50884 1604.6 31.7 5.7% 1.34%
Brown Shrimp 511395 25590.5 20.0 91.6% 21.45%
Shrimp 578553 27948.1 20.7 100.0% 23.4%
           
Total (Bycatch + Shrimp) 2,571,087 119,311 21.5   100.00%







Edited by Rick - 10 May 2018 at 11:46am
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Originally posted by bakesta bakesta wrote:


And if you want to complain about water quality---- 41.4 million pounds of dead stuff being dumped in every year definitely does NOT help.


...imagine if agriculture put that many pounds of chicken or pig parts in the estuary - what's the functional difference?

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The ones in red add up to about 14%.


That's an easy to get an instant 14% reduction in bycatchLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL


Edited by bakesta - 10 May 2018 at 12:31pm
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Guys you is all wrong its all da run off!!!!!!!! Its all da farmer's fault!!!! 
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No correlation to blue crab decimation either...  
A rising tide lifts all boats...
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