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    Posted: 08 January 2018 at 3:23pm
Since so many on here also hunt I thought I would pass this on.

Over the last two NC legislative sessions some of the same folks that have given our marine resources to industry have also been busy paving the way for deer farms and commercial deer operations in NC. So why were some folks who knew something about those operations so concerned?

Maybe this will help, and lets hope there will never be a summer with nothing of consequence left to fish for in NC waters, and a winter where only a memory of wild deer remains thanks to our legislature.

Deer Succumbing to Disease

Edited by Ray Brown - 08 January 2018 at 3:24pm
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For more info:  https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/animalhealth/nvap/NVAP-Reference-Guide/Control-and-Eradication/Transmissible-Spongiform-Encephalopathies

perhaps more importantly:

https://www.cdc.gov/prions/cwd/index.html

These diseases are very, very hard to transmit and require specific conditions for transmission.  Examples of human disease are found in butchers where they are exposed to thousands of animals (cows).  Other instances are from Africa where eating monkey meat, or brain is a risk factor.  We have all heard of "Mad Cow" disease.  In deer, the crowding makes prion transmission more likely.  

Note:  Prion disease remains an enigma to traditional microbiologists.  There is no treatment.  

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Okay, enough of the science.  Who the heck thought this was a good idea anyway?  At some point common sense has to trump greed.  Ray, who pushed this?
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Senator Brent Jackson is the one who pushed for it so hard in the legislature. Any deer hunter that sees wild herds die off from a disease that begins at a deer farm or a disease is imported into NC because a deer farm wants a new "buck" to improve the gene pool and brings disease with him should remember Jackson's name.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bread Man 1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2018 at 3:52pm
As far as I know nothing was ever done about Jackson approving grants for his son and himself. 100's of thousands of dollars......
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You know it is bad when these pro Republican folks start turning on their own.



Yes, You Senator Jackson!

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It is getting worse in Pennsylvania. Pay attention you Triangle guys for other stories to be released soon in your area about imported non native species coming to NC.

What if this gets to NC deer populations as these newly created deer farms in NC imported some of those big PA deer to enhance breeding stock outside of Charlotte? How sad it would be if the Roanoke population succumbed to a pathogen from Pennsylvania because of someone's desire to run a trophy farm| So you think some entity in NC is not going to let that happen? Checked our native striper populations in the Neuse, Pamlico, or Cape Fear lately? Whose your Daddy protector there? NC's legislature is all knowing and they have given us the striper situation and the question now arises, what have they created to threaten our deer among other things?

As someone asked me last night, how do you like them GMO oysters from down east? Soon we may know if farm raised deer in NC are posing threats to our local stocks while down east the same question that wasn't being publicly asked at one time is now being screamed by some. Don't you just love the politics of wild creature management in NC?


Getting worse in PA.

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Among all I know that hunt along the Roanoke no one favors importing deer from anywhere. If deer from Pa were that good then we would not have so many damn hunters from up north๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
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I was raised in Bertie County so I know a Roanoke deer, but size wise, Pennsylvania whitetail deer will average 25 pounds or more larger.
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Out of about 1000 tested, 51 were positive.   If that 5% rate holds up, it means that the PA deer herd is in major trouble.  And hunting in PA will no longer be popular.

I just wonder if they are also contacting slaughter houses to let them know they processed a positive deer?  Everybody knows that deer meat gets mixed together from multiple deer when various products are made.  I suspect that deer processing will soon be unavailable in PA.  That also will cause a lot of guys to quit.

And for the record -- cooking the meat has no effect on the CWD agent.  Also for the record - no proof of transmission to humans has been found but that does NOT mean it can not happen.  It's just EXTREMELY difficult to prove.  Just like mad cow disease in England, it will take an outbreak of disease among hunters and their families to really prove anything.  That will take several years - or more - to develop.   And prion disease is 100% fatal with no cure or treatment available.

PA deer farms caused this mess and it's only going to get worse.  Now that NC is allowing deer farming to expand, the wild herd will become positive.  It's only a matter of time.  No deer farmer can contain the agent.  It gets in the ground and remains infectious for years.  Deer also pass it if they rub noses through a fence.  And of course - deer tend to find a way out of fences.

Deer attractants containing urine or any deer product should also be banned nation wide. 

We can't stop this agent but we could greatly slow it down.  

Unfortunately, North Carolina politicians have invited it into our state.







 
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We already have some kind of "mad" mind altering disease among the population in certain areas of the state. Hopefully somebody will eventually discover the cause.......
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