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Dizzy?   That's nothing, I saw a bill die and be resurrected in an hour or so all because someone asked what a few hundred boats on trailers moving at less than 5 mph would do to traffic in Raleigh about 5 pm one weekday as WRAL and others circled overhead.
Some trawl operator will be forced to change in order to reduce bycatch. If you worry about that more than stopping the bycatch then the resource is secondary to you. Recovery has one less advocate.
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That may be on the horizon. Thumbs Up And it would sure be ugly.
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Spoke to my rep today.
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Political inbreeding spreads in fits and spurts its way right on inland and makes a right good mess out of what might be a decent reputation for the people of what coulda been a great place to live if wasn't for the fact that our "leaders"believe in the fish house fairy over having healthy fisheries. Republicans and democrats are damnably inbred and so deserved by those who love them, and spreading the disease is foremost among their talents. Only God could squash em now, but he seems to be on their side, as some have tried to tell us all along.
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I suppose if I was going to contact a state politician, it would be utterly disingenuous, as I think they are pretty much symptomatic effluvium from the drainpipe of a wasted collective brain stem which morphed years ago into a freestanding GI tract and just spews its gut, often as it can, right into the internal waters, where we net it up and wear it like jewelry to proclaim how damned stupid we are as a group. I could call Beaverly Boswell of the busted button bunch, but that would subject me to smelling her dumb greasy drivel flowing through otherwise breathable air into my personal space which is filled with the hope of one day seeing decent fishery management for the resource. I guess I'll just hold my natural optimism close to the vest while I wait for the voters of Dare county to install somebody in that hole who isn't dumber than a mud stump.
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So it is out of the deadend?
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To paraphrase the previous republican war minister- "there's nothing left but dead enders. We'll just go house to house, mopping them up as we go". That's precisely why they can't get this done. For these guys, it's about screwing people, not about keeping one's own house in order. They ram us good for a number of years as if they have the imprimatur of God to do whatever, then struggle with their own mortality, coming up with a plan to recapture their youthful verve, and get caught eating donuts off the naked bodies of various interns. We rely on these guys to fix the broken MFC and DMF? We are beset by the disgusting and flawed class known as politicians. To hold them forth as resource people is analogous to taking their foul lies into ones own mouth, and regurgitating the words which constitute their unmitigated lying.
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On top of this, there is the longstanding hatred of the south by the republicans. North Carolina happens to be a southern state. Witness the wanton destruction and murder, rape, plunder and mayhem the union committed during the late war of totalitarian aggression over 150 years ago. This treatment is celebrated to this day by these ravenous bastards, who would rather get you over a barrel, and then do what it takes to make themselves happy. Think about how easily they can be worked into a raging bloodlust, and describe the dead civilians as "collateral damage", when the entirety of the operation was based on intervention. Freedom loving leaders never came from democrats and republicans, for they exist as political instruments to deceive you and take your productivity for their own enrichment and aggrandizement. The idea that these mongers of total bullcrap really represent anything but hell and death to liberty and publicly held resources is a screaming joke. Please make your case that these people have it in them to produce any kind of justice for the citizens they supposedly represent. Billy Richardson, et al, certainly fly in the face of our way of life here in good ol different, and good on em for trying to help the bereaved resource and those who wish it was alive. But the modus operandi is way too evident by the longstanding actions of this evil, duplicitous horde, if you paid attention during any of that time.
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Originally posted by cnaff cnaff wrote:

On top of this, there is the longstanding hatred of the south by the republicans. North Carolina happens to be a southern state. Witness the wanton destruction and murder, rape, plunder and mayhem the union committed during the late war of totalitarian aggression over 150 years ago. This treatment is celebrated to this day by these ravenous bastards, who would rather get you over a barrel, and then do what it takes to make themselves happy. Think about how easily they can be worked into a raging bloodlust, and describe the dead civilians as "collateral damage", when the entirety of the operation was based on intervention. Freedom loving leaders never came from democrats and republicans, for they exist as political instruments to deceive you and take your productivity for their own enrichment and aggrandizement. The idea that these mongers of total bullcrap really represent anything but hell and death to liberty and publicly held resources is a screaming joke. Please make your case that these people have it in them to produce any kind of justice for the citizens they supposedly represent. Billy Richardson, et al, certainly fly in the face of our way of life here in good ol different, and good on em for trying to help the bereaved resource and those who wish it was alive. But the modus operandi is way too evident by the longstanding actions of this evil, duplicitous horde, if you paid attention during any of that time.


Your knowledge of history is surpassed only by your ability to communicate clearly in your posts.

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Originally posted by Ray Brown Ray Brown wrote:

Dizzy?   That's nothing, I saw a bill die and be resurrected in an hour or so all because someone asked what a few hundred boats on trailers moving at less than 5 mph would do to traffic in Raleigh about 5 pm one weekday as WRAL and others circled overhead.

just give me about 24 hours notice to get my Skimmer from the beach.
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Don't even need the boats. I think that the trailers would suffice.
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Originally posted by Ray Brown Ray Brown wrote:

Dizzy?   That's nothing, I saw a bill die and be resurrected in an hour or so all because someone asked what a few hundred boats on trailers moving at less than 5 mph would do to traffic in Raleigh about 5 pm one weekday as WRAL and others circled overhead.

I truly wish someone would organize something like this.

I know how hard it is to get recs to act in unison. Good lord I tried for a long time.

But this would be attention getting big time.

The problem is, recs will puff and pout on a message board, but when it comes time for the rubber to meet the road everyone is "too busy".

CCA, NC Wildlife, whomever...... Someone do it and I promise to be there.

Who is going to accept the challenge?

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I believe that you can copy and paste the list below into your address bar on an email and you will be able to email every member of the house.

Senate emails will come later - i hope

please let them know how you feel about this bill - it needs co-sponsors and broad support to get it out of the dead bill committee that it was sent to by our republican leadership

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Carolinawoodduck - didn't someone do something like this years ago re: hogwaste? Whomever did that may have the organizational skill set to herd us cats.
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todobien..... I remember the event. Do not remember who organized. Agree if timed right would bring
chaos to downtown Raleigh. The current press is dialed in to events like this and it would probably 
generate worldwide attention if it happened. If this bill is ignored (which it probably will be) it may be     time to trailer to Raleigh. Thumbs Up
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How long is too long to let it be ignored? I'm not sure how things work on Jones St. NCFA is great at doing things like this and it seems to influence people.
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I'm hearing no warm and fuzzies on this bill.   As of now, it appears that HB 853 has been gilled to died in the net of Raleigh politics.

The Rules committee is scheduled to meet today.

It wouldn't hurt to make a few phone calls and might just help-

Start with-
Speaker Moore's Office-  919-733-3451
Rep. Bell's office-
919-715-3017
Rules Committee Chairman Rep. Lewis' office-
919-715-3015
Rules Committee Vice-Chairman Davis' office-
919-733-5786
Rules Committee Vice-Chairman Steven's office- 919-715-1883
Rules Committee Vice-Chairman Szoka's office-
919-733-9892
Rules Committee Vice-Chairman Torbett's Office-
919-733-5868

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Rules Committee meets today at 10am Room 544, which does have a live audio feed.

The Striper Bill is not on the agenda.  Tomorrow is the deadline.
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For those of you who care, the CSMA Striper bill is officially dead.  The "crossover deadline" has passed and the bill never even got discussed.


The bill was filed before Easter and was instantly assigned to the "dead bill committee" by house leadership.


Why?


No other bill made more sense than this one and they killed it without even a discussion.





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Originally posted by bakesta bakesta wrote:

For those of you who care, the CSMA Striper bill is officially dead.  The "crossover deadline" has passed and the bill never even got discussed.


The bill was filed before Easter and was instantly assigned to the "dead bill committee" by house leadership.


Why?


No other bill made more sense than this one and they killed it without even a discussion.






What do you expect with pockets being padded?
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The latest WRC work for 2017 shows-

http://1drv.ms/b/s!ArHvxdSx-xlqghjhTs-LAfSNnH5R

From 1994–2015, Striped Bass instantaneous fishing mortality in the Neuse River ranged 0.12–0.84 and exceeded the overfishing threshold in 12 of 22 years. A global linear model using environmental and exploitation factors accounted for 55% of the variability in spawning stock discrete annual mortality. An informationtheoretic approach was used to elucidate the best linear model predicting discrete annual mortality. The best model included previous-year gill net effort and same-year commercial harvest (ωi = 0.64, R2 = 0.50). Model-averaged coefficients for gill net effort and commercial harvest suggest total exploitation impacts that are congruent with other studies of Neuse River Striped Bass. Results indicate that reducing exploitation to target levels will require substantial reductions in gill net effort in areas of the Neuse River where Striped Bass occur. Reducing exploitation may increase spawning stock biomass and advance the age structure of spawning females, conferring an increased likelihood of successful recruitment and production of dominant year-classes during periods of favorable environmental conditions.


Linear modeling indicates gill net effort is the most important factor influencing spawning stock mortality among the exploitation and environmental factors examined. Gill net effort accounted for substantially greater variability in spawning stock mortality than commercial harvest, and the model-averaged coefficient identifies gill net effort discrete annual fishing mortality u= 0.29. This suggests that the commercial multispecies gill net fishery imparts substantial mortality even when the Striped Bass harvest season is closed. The reason for this mortality is obscure, but may be attributable to dead discard mortality; over-quota and high-grading mortality; avoidance, predation, and drop-out mortality; or unreported, miss-reported and illegal harvest (ICES 1995; Gilman et al. 2013; Uhlmann and Broadhurst 2015; Batsleer et al. 2015). In particular, discard mortality should be carefully considered as Clark and Kahn (2009) found that Striped Bass are acutely susceptible to discard mortality in multispecies gill net fisheries. Furthermore, Striped Bass discards in the large mesh gill net fishery were identified as the primary source of mortality within the CSMA (NCDENR 2013). The effect of gill net effort on discrete annual mortality as estimated by linear modeling is within 3% of the estimated effect of cryptic mortality in a cohort-based model (u= 0.26; Table B.3 in Rachels and Ricks 2015), while the effect of commercial harvest was identical to the estimated commercial harvest discrete annual fishing mortality rate in that study.

Current high exploitation rates combined with low stock abundance and a high contribution of hatchery fish to the spawning stock (Rachels and Ricks 2015; Bradley 2016) suggest the expected recovery time of Neuse River Striped Bass continues to be “both uncertain and long” (Hilborn et al. 2014). Our research suggests fisheries managers should reduce exploitation by focusing on reductions in gill net effort in areas of the Neuse River utilized by Striped Bass. Reducing spawning stock exploitation may confer an increased likelihood of recruitment during periods of favorable environmental conditions, thereby leading to improvements in population abundance and increased numbers of wild fish in the spawning stock.



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How can this science continue to be ignored?
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The old saying "Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance." comes to mind.


The report shows what everyone has known.  Gillnets are destroying any chance of re-establishing the CMSA striper population.


Now that the conclusion is "official", what happens next?


It's obvious that common sense at DMF was drowned in a shrimp trawl tailbag long ago.  Or perhaps it just became entangled in a gillnet and slowly went under as the tide rose.  Either way, we can't expect any help (or sense) from them.

The MFC could help, and  has leaned toward reform lately, but they have yet to do anything that has had a serious and immediate impact.   There always seems to be a last minute letter or a legal concern that the commercial side never has to worry about as they bend/break/destroy rules.

Could we get help from Raleigh?  HB853 never even got assigned to the proper committee and was never discussed, so it's obvious that those in charge are against improving our fish stocks.   And we also anxiously await 3 new MFC appointments from the governor, who made a grand and wonderful statement about reforming marine fisheries just before the election, but has yet to follow through on anything.


So this report is clear - and so is the solution.  There just doesn't seem to be any desire by those who can fix things to actually fix them.

In the end, we have a sad and frustrating tale.  Just as the weakfish proved that we allowed trawling in nursery areas to help destroy that species, the stripers have proven that gillnets can destroy an entire sub-population of fish.

The science is obvious - it's now time for cries of "fake news" to negate it.


Thanks for the report on the destruction caused by gillnets  - now "soak 'em if ya got 'em" boys.Dead









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Gov. Put a nice signature on 410 allowing expanded aquaculture so the truth is now laI'd out b4 us
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Governor says the Republican legislature promised to override his veto if he did. Personally I don't believe they had the votes to do it.

Governor also said they will regulate the heck out of pens. With what? To be sure he isn't talking about the DMF? The officers could enforce, but the DMF has no track record of doing that. The Governor was told that the only reason fishermen objected to 410 was competition. What fish dealers spread that lie?


Some trawl operator will be forced to change in order to reduce bycatch. If you worry about that more than stopping the bycatch then the resource is secondary to you. Recovery has one less advocate.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote todobien Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2017 at 9:41pm
He has vetoed other stuff that he had to know they would over ride so y so concerned now. Setting a bad precedence may as well sign because they will overturn. Bullying works. Campain lies again.
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HOW THEY DID IT (and how to beat them)

Boys, anyone (or group) needs to understand what the coin of the realm is ... unfortunately human nature hasn't changed and won't until the Rapture....which means if you want to get something done two approaches will work: (a) target legislative monkey wrenches and un-elect their sorry axes or (b) put your $$ where your mouth is (legislatively speaking) and buy some pols of your own. 

Rick has given you the road map with his list of trawlers that don't turn on way-point signals (just the latest infractions -- start with non-reporting of catches, selling fish off books, juggling books, fighting NOAA rules, non-reporting of snared turtles, threatening rec anglers, etc.). Names of trawler owners are right there. It's only a few companies/owners, but political "contributions" amount to chump change when it comes to the profits made by dragging bottoms for shrimp. All made possible by owning a few key GA prosses. 

That's the one thing that lets me know BRDs and TEDs aren't effective. Big trawler mojos could agree with a smile and a press conference to "protect" the resource and pony up the $$ to outfit every large trawler with excluder devices and buy two or three sets in reserve and the positive publicity would cost a pittance when compared to the good will they'd generate for themselves -- and also they'd receive dialed-down pressure. But when the dealer is in your pocket and he's slid a royal flush to you, there's no reason to fold and incur unnecessary expenses.

IMHO, other flies in the punch bowl may be mom-and-pop small boats operating on a shoestring whose owners can't/won't change tactics because they fear risking smaller catches, even if it saves turtles or a few million baby croaker, spot or flounder. Their fealty is promised to NCFA, even though they'd make much more $$ in the long run by agreeing to workable long-range solutions. But (again that factor) they can't afford the loss of future paydays. So they rationalize and support the BS spouted by NCFA mouthpieces.

It should be clear where this leads -- money talks and everything else walks. 

So CCA and other NC saltwater groups need to buy some senators and reps, just like NCFA and the Wanchese crowd. Winning elections and the power (cash) it generates are the only things that'll get the attention of the (sorry, cnaff, they're not brain-dead) pols. Like sharks, the Jones St. crowd is doing what comes naturally -- following blood in the water.

Target some of the worst offenders and vote 'em out by outspending 'em. Rec groups like CCA have the money. Spend it. Hand-pick independent candidates -- forget old-line Dems and Repubs who are N.C.'s "Deep State," also corrupted by power and rivers of cash (who do you think owns Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.)? Somebody please check his contributors (although the Wanchese Fish Mafia/NCFA is probably smart enough to have hidden its slush fund cash channels to our home-grown unethicals). Now there's a story for some news department to ferret out (don't hold your breath).

How does the Forest Service fight forest fires? With back fires. Too many people have sat on the sidelines for too long, afraid to burn out legislative underbrush or start back fires -- and the forest, the state's saltwater resources, almost has burnt down.



Edited by penfish2 - 31 July 2017 at 11:56am
Many go fishing all their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after.
* Henry David Thoreau
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