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Daily reporting for pound nets started Sept 1 and I will ask.

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Where can I find the exact wording for this supplement and when does it go into affect?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ray Brown Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2016 at 10:16am
The main part of the supplement is the first post in this thread and it took affect on January 1,of 2016.
I am a native of NC. The "bycatch captial of the east coast of the US". Our legislature lets us kill more fish for no reason than any other Atlantic Coast state. I hope they are proud.
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Any luck of getting those daily reports or a tally?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote skateboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2016 at 10:20am
So if that is the extent of the supplement it would appear that a SCFL would keep one in the hook and line flounder game after 10/16?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ray Brown Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 September 2016 at 10:43am
I think you are correct. Southern flounder may be the only inshore commercial finfish operation that allows a rod and reel harvest. Can't think of another species where it is allowed.

The Director, of course, can declare all harvest methods closed at any time he so chooses if he feels it necessary to rebuild stocks. The MFC would have, I believe, 48 hours to overrule him.

Remember, this is only for calendar year 2016.   The MFC can make adjustments going into 2017, a supplement is not a one and done deal, it remains flexible until a new FMP is finished according to the MFC attorney.
I am a native of NC. The "bycatch captial of the east coast of the US". Our legislature lets us kill more fish for no reason than any other Atlantic Coast state. I hope they are proud.
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Just close it and let the stock rebuild,of course that's not going to happen is it now,bottom has fell out of fishing for most rec in NC anyway
Murder is killing but all killing is not murder
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Found this on a Google search. Timely move back to the top with what we know today.



Edited by Rick - 10 January 2019 at 11:50pm
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NC Fisheries Management- Motto: Too Little, Too Late, Too Bad   Slogan: Shrimp On! Mission Statement: Enable Commercial Fishing At Any and All Cost, Regardless of Impact to the Resource.
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...and this followed-

at the May-2017 Business Meeting the Commission agreed not to use the powers and duties vested to it under- 143B-289.52 allowing it to take temporary management measures.

Moved out of closed session without objection.

Reynolds explained at its last meeting the commission had consented to allow three members, Chairman Sammy Corbett, Vice-Chairman Joe Shute and Commission Mike Wicker, to participate in a Court Ordered mediation and authorized them to reach an agreement-in-principle that, if reached, would be presented to the full Commission for its approval. The mediated settlement conference was held on May 11, 2017 and an agreement-in-principal was reached. Reynolds advised that this agreement-in-principal was discussed during the closed session and that the terms of the mediation agreement will be finalized through a settlement agreement, which includes:
• A 15-inch size limit for southern flounder;
• A 6-inch minimum mesh size for anchored large-mesh gill nets; and
• A 5 ¾ -inch mesh size for escape panels in pound nets.

Additionally, in accordance to the terms of the agreement-in-principle, the commission will not seek to adopt a supplement to the Southern Flounder Fishery Management Plan until it acts to adopt an amendment to the Plan. The agreement-in-principle also required plaintiffs to withdraw their complaint with prejudice and waive and release of any and all claims related to the action that were or could have been brought against the defendants on or before the filing of the plaintiffs’ Amended Complaint (i.e. September 30, 2016).

Reynolds told the commission that these terms will be formalized through an agreement.

Motion by Rick Smith to accept the terms of the agreement reached in principle during mediation on May 11, 2017 pertaining to the matter of CCFA et al vs. NCDEQ et. al which will be finalized with a settlement agreement at a future date. Second by Joe Shute.

Motion carries 8-0 with one abstention. 

The Agreement





















Edited by Rick - 11 January 2019 at 9:32am
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Will DMF and the MFC address the issue now?

Will they fight a lawsuit from the NCFA?

Dead End Road...the can is an the end!

Where we are today, 2.5 years later- a complete MORATORIUM as an option, NO HARVEST FOR ANYONE.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE IN NC FISHERIES MANAGEMENT! 

Deja Vu weakfish...we almost wiped them out while Bradley Styron and the NCFA fought tooth and nail with multiple lawsuits to keep fishing on that depleted stock.  The weakfish stock has never recovered and has no recovery in sight. 

THE PROBLEM



THE SOLUTIONS










DO NOTHING and FLOUNDER DISAPPEAR IN ABOUT TWENTY YEARS




DO SOMETHING TO MEET STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS






Edited by Rick - 11 January 2019 at 9:44am
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Deleted comment based on Rick's clarification of data posted above.




Edited by j.willis - 11 January 2019 at 8:58am
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J.willis- Those headings are mine. The DMF just presented the slides.
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There is a number of reasons the State will rarely fight a lawsuit very long or vigorously. We need our own meaningful lawsuit against DEQ and DMF. They will either settle or lose if done properly. Virtually no chance to lose unless the action is flawed and dismissed which should not happen.
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I would gladly accept a complete moratorium on flounder if it applied to recs and commercials. In fact, I would strongly prefer that option to any of the other recommendations. The only hook and line flounder fisheries worth a hoot in SENC are the nearshore reef fish (usually not southern flounder) and the Cape Fear River. 
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