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I'm pretty sure that WRC and DMF have moved the FMP process for the CSMA striped bass ahead in its schedule.
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Another commercial striped bass season is well underway.

By proclamation, Director Davis opened the fishery on March 1, 2017 and it will close when the commercials report landings of 25,000 pounds or no later than April 30th, a month from now.

I found it interesting that for the previous three seasons the 25,000 quota was landed within +/- 2 days of March 20th.

Closures
2016 March 21st
2015 March 18th
2014 March 20th

Did the fish get by the gill nets while heading up stream?

Will cryptic mortality (gill net bycatch) be up this year due to all the small fish that were being reported in the sound and rivers last fall?

With all the "striper talk" at the MFC level and Jerry's warnings to the commercials, are less fish being reported on trip tickets leading to increased cryptic mortality.

Additional Closure Dates
2013- April 15
2012- March 30
2011- March 25
2010- March 27
2009- April 10
2008- April 30
2007- April 3

The odds certainly say it should close by Monday.

Why in the world aren't we all raising hell with Raleigh about being true "Fishcal Conservatives".  Since when did allowing the commercial sector to kill 85% of the maturing fish for 10-cents on the dollar of stocking cost become fiscally responsible management?




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" will close when the commercials report landings of 25,000 pounds or no later than April 30th, a month from now."

The less on trip tickets the more that can be caught...... If they really wanted only a 25,000 pound limit they would have to post it as when 250 pounds was reported
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We all know that fish house owners can't afford a computer, and probably are not required to report more often than weekly, at best, by mail.  After 75% of the quota is caught, they should be required to report daily, and phone in any landings over a set poundage immediately.
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Originally posted by Glacierbaze Glacierbaze wrote:

After 75% of the quota is caught, they should be required to report daily, and phone in any landings over a set poundage immediately.

Very common in Council and ASMFC-managed fisheries with reduced daily trip quota, required timely reporting of daily landings and should also include pay back the next year with reductions.
 
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Not sure which stock the quota being discussed is associated. But if it is the Neuse or Tar Pam stocks I don't think they are covered by a Council or Atlantic States Commission
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Don't think they are under any management other than state, just that this has been used by other agencies. 
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The estuarine striped bass FMP is a state plan.  One that is being poorly managed and failing miserably.

There is ZERO success on all of the objectives below.  It's a 100% put-grow-take fishery killing any thought of sustainable harvest, science and the Striped Bass FMP do not reside in the the same zip code at DMF, the age structure is truncated, bycatch moralities in the estuarine gill net fisheries exceed reported harvest and is preventing establishing a mature spawning stock biomass.

 
3.2 GOALS AND OBJECTIVES
The goals of Amendment 1 to the North Carolina Estuarine Striped Bass FMP are to achieve sustainable harvest through science based decision-making processes that conserve adequate spawning stock, provide and maintain a broad age structure, and protect the integrity of critical habitats.




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Another commercial season is behind us.

manyna....manyna

Maybe next year those in control of management will come to their senses.


http://portal.ncdenr.org/web/mf/proclamation-ff-9-2017

FF-9-2017

PROCLAMATION

RE: STRIPED BASS SEASON - CENTRAL SOUTHERN MANAGEMENT AREA (CSMA) COMMERCIAL FISHING OPERATIONS - INTERNAL COASTAL WATERS OF CARTERET, CRAVEN, BEAUFORT, AND PAMLICO COUNTIES, PUNGO RIVER, WEST BAY, PAMLICO SOUND

This proclamation supersedes Proclamation FF-5-2017, dated February 24, 2017.  It closes the CSMA commercial striped bass fishery.

Braxton C. Davis, Division of Marine Fisheries, hereby announces that effective at 12:01 A.M., Monday, April 3, 2017, in internal coastal waters for the areas described below, the striped bass season WILL CLOSE for COMMERCIAL FISHING OPERATIONS.

I. AREA DESCRIPTION

A. Pamlico and Pungo rivers - west of a line beginning at a point on the north shore 35° 22.3622’N - 76° 28.2032’W (Roos Point) running southerly through Marker #1 to a point on the south shore 35° 18.5906’N - 76° 28.9530’W (Pamlico Point).

B. Jones Bay/Bay River - west of a line at Sow Island Point at 35° 13.0166’ N - 76° 29.7000' W, running southwesterly to a point at Bay Point at 35° 11.0833' N - 76° 31.5666' W, then running southerly to Maw Point at 35° 9.0333 ’N - 76° 32.1666' W.

C. Neuse River - west of a line beginning at Maw Point at 35°9.0333 'N - 76° 32.1666’ W, running southeasterly to Point of Marsh at 35° 04.5500' N - 76° 28.2333’ W. 

D. West Bay- south of a line beginning at a point at 35° 03.5166’ N - 76° 26.1333’ W, running southeasterly to a point at 35° 02.1833' N - 76° 21.7500' W.

E. Pamlico Sound – south of a line from Roanoke Marshes Point 35° 48.3693’ N - 75° 43.7232’ W; to the north point of Eagle Nest Bay 35° 44.1710’ N - 75° 31.0520' W (southern boundary of the Albemarle Sound Management Area) to the boundaries at the mouths of all the rivers described in I.A. - I.D. and north of a line from Camp Point at 35° 00.0833’ N - 76° 14.8000’ W, through Wainwright Island running southeasterly to a point on Core Banks at 34° 58.7853’ N - 76° 09.8922’ W.

II. SEASON

No person may take, possess, transport, buy, sell or offer for sale striped bass from the area defined above, except dealers will have until April 10, 2017 to sell, offer for sale, transport, or have in possession unfrozen striped bass taken in this fishery prior to the closure.

III. GENERAL INFORMATION

A. This proclamation is issued under the authority of N.C.G.S. 113-170.4; 113-170.5; 113-182; 113-221.1; 143B 289.52; and N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission Rules 15A NCAC 03H .0103, 03M .0202, and 03O .0500.

B. It is unlawful to violate the provisions of any proclamation issued by the Fisheries Director under his delegated authority pursuant to N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission Rule 15A NCAC 03H .0103.

C. The intent of this proclamation is to close the commercial striped bass fishery in the CSMA because the annual quota (25,000 pounds) has been reached.

D. The striped bass Dealer Permit validated for the Central Southern Management Area is no longer valid upon this closure. Permittees must submit required reporting logs to the Division of Marine Fisheries’ Elizabeth City Field Office at 800-338-7805, 252-264-3911, or by fax at 252-264-3723 by April 8, 2017.


E. Contact N.C. Division of Marine Fisheries, P.O. Box 769, Morehead City, NC 28557 252-726-7021 or 800-682-2632 for more information or visit the division website at http://ncmarinefisheries.net

F. In accordance with N.C. General Statute 113-221.1(c) All persons who may be affected by proclamations issued by the Fisheries Director are under a duty to keep themselves informed of current proclamations.

G. This proclamation supersedes Proclamation FF-5-2017, dated February 24, 2017. It closes the CSMA commercial striped bass fishery.





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So stripers can still be entangled and die in gill nets; they just can't be sold?
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Originally posted by jtoler jtoler wrote:

So stripers can still be entangled and die in gill nets; they just can't be sold?


That is correct!  Gill net discard mortality is the largest driver of "cryptic mortality" and accounts for more mortality than the combined commercial and recreational pounds landed.

The Division in more of it's "smoke and mirrors" management strategy issues the following proclamation once the commercial quota is met.

It's a joke...really.

http://portal.ncdenr.org/web/mf/proclamation-m-08-2017

-8-2017

PROCLAMATION

RE: GILL NETS - CENTRAL SOUTHERN MANAGEMENT AREA (CSMA) - WESTERN PAMLICO SOUND AND RIVERS

This proclamation implements tie-down (vertical net height restrictions) and distance from shore restrictions for gill nets with a mesh length five inches or greater in the western Pamlico Sound and rivers.


Braxton C. Davis, Director, Division of Marine Fisheries, hereby announces that effective at 12:01 A.M., Monday, April 3, 2017, the following restrictions will apply to gill nets with a mesh length five inches or greater:

I. AREA DESCRIPTION (See Map)
All internal coastal waters west (upstream) of the 76° 28.0000’ W longitude line which passes near Roos Point at the mouth of Pungo River south to Point of Marsh at the mouth of the Neuse River.

II. GEAR RESTRICTIONS
A. It is unlawful to fail to equip gill nets with tie downs spaced no farther apart than 10 yards to restrict the vertical distance between the top and bottom lines to 36 inches or less. If the vertical height of the net (distance between the top and bottom line) is 36 inches or less, no tie-downs are required.  Nets must be set so as to fish on the bottom and not exceed a vertical height of 36 inches.

B. It is unlawful for any portion of the net to be within 50 yards of any point on shore when set or deployed in the following river areas:
1. Neuse River - Upstream of a line beginning at a point at Cooper Point 35° 02.1433’ N - 76° 55.9965’ W; running southwesterly to a point at Fisher Landing Point 35° 00.1550’ N - 76° 58.5738’ W.
2. Pamlico River - Upstream of a line beginning at a point at Gum Point 35° 25.1669’ N - 76° 45.5251’ W; running southwesterly to a point at Fork Point at 35° 23.4453’ N - 76° 46.4346’ W.
3. Pungo River - Upstream of a line beginning at a point at Sandy Point 35° 26.8680’ N - 76° 33.9520’ W; running southwesterly to a point on the west shore at 35° 26.2810’ N - 76° 35.5530’ W.
C. Attended Recreational Commercial Gear License gill nets are exempt from restrictions in II. B.

D. These restrictions terminate on December 31, 2017 at 11:59 P.M. by this proclamation.

III. GENERAL INFORMATION

A. This proclamation is issued under the authority of N.C.G.S. 113-170.4; 113-170.5; 113-182; 113-221.1; 143B-289.52 and N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission Rule 15A NCAC 03H .0103 and 03J .0103.

B. It is unlawful to violate the provisions of any proclamation issued by the Fisheries Director under his delegated authority pursuant to N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission Rule 15A NCAC 03H .0103.

C. The intent of this proclamation is to enact the requirements established by the North Carolina Estuarine Striped Bass Fishery Management Plan to reduce large mesh gill net bycatch. 

D. N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission Rule15A NCAC 03J .0103 states it is unlawful to use gill nets in internal waters from April 15 through December 15, with a mesh length 5 inches or greater and less than 5 ½ inches. 

E. N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission Rule 15A NCAC 03J .0103 (i)(2) states for gill nets with a mesh length five inches or greater it is unlawful from June through October, for any portion of the net to be within 10 feet of any point on the shoreline while set or deployed unless the net is attended.  N.C. Marine Fisheries Commission Rule 15A NCAC 03J .0103 (j) defines the shoreline as the mean high water line or marsh line, whichever is more seaward.

F. Proclamation M-3-2014, dated February 3, 2014 prohibits the setting of gill nets in the Joint Fishing Waters of the state from midnight on Friday to midnight on Sunday each week. Portions of Albemarle and Currituck sounds are exempt from that provision.

G. In accordance with N.C. General Statute 113-221.1(c) All persons who may be affected by proclamations issued by the Fisheries Director are under a duty to keep themselves informed of current proclamations.

H. Contact N.C. Division of Marine Fisheries, P.O. Box 769, Morehead City, NC 28557 252-726-7021 or 800-682-2632 for more information or visit the division website at http://ncmarinefisheries.net

I. This proclamation implements tie-down (vertical net height restrictions) and distance from shore restrictions for gill nets with a mesh length five inches or greater in the western Pamlico Sound and rivers.


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Originally posted by jtoler jtoler wrote:

So stripers can still be entangled and die in gill nets; they just can't be sold?


Maybe one day NC will get sane laws and or mgmt that will keep them out of the nets by removing the nets at certain times and/or areas.
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Fish house owners failed math
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Thank you Billy Richardson and Representatives Adams and Wray!

Now let's see if $ and sense can prevail against commercial fishing interests hell-bent on killing this fishery for a personal gain of 10-cents on the $1.00 of stocking cost.


http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2017/Bills/House/HTML/H853v0.html



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Anyone else think this is additional evidence of both nets being detrimental to these (and all species) AND there is a lot of illegal commercial fishing?
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John....a lot of fishery biologist have been quietly saying that for some time, but...a lot of marine biologist have been ignoring this data for a similar time frame. There is a difference in attitude between a biologist focused on the resource and one focused on harvest. They both collect the same data, but due to their goals they draw different conclusions. NC needs to decide what kind of biologist she wants to manage her stocks.

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I am a native of NC. The "bycatch captial of the east coast of the US". Our legislature lets us kill more fish for no reason than any other Atlantic Coast state. I hope they are proud.
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Originally posted by Ray Brown Ray Brown wrote:

John....a lot of fishery biologist have been quietly saying that for some time, but...a lot of marine biologist have been ignoring this data for a similar time frame. There is a difference in attitude between a biologist focused on the resource and one focused on harvest. They both collect the same data, but due to their goals they draw different conclusions. NC needs to decide what kind of biologist she wants to manage her stocks.



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The latest WRC work for 2017 shows-

http://1drv.ms/b/s!ArHvxdSx-xlqghjhTs-LAfSNnH5R

From 1994–2015, Striped Bass instantaneous fishing mortality in the Neuse River ranged 0.12–0.84 and exceeded the overfishing threshold in 12 of 22 years. A global linear model using environmental and exploitation factors accounted for 55% of the variability in spawning stock discrete annual mortality. An informationtheoretic approach was used to elucidate the best linear model predicting discrete annual mortality. The best model included previous-year gill net effort and same-year commercial harvest (ωi = 0.64, R2 = 0.50). Model-averaged coefficients for gill net effort and commercial harvest suggest total exploitation impacts that are congruent with other studies of Neuse River Striped Bass. Results indicate that reducing exploitation to target levels will require substantial reductions in gill net effort in areas of the Neuse River where Striped Bass occur. Reducing exploitation may increase spawning stock biomass and advance the age structure of spawning females, conferring an increased likelihood of successful recruitment and production of dominant year-classes during periods of favorable environmental conditions.

 

Linear modeling indicates gill net effort is the most important factor influencing spawning stock mortality among the exploitation and environmental factors examined. Gill net effort accounted for substantially greater variability in spawning stock mortality than commercial harvest, and the model-averaged coefficient identifies gill net effort discrete annual fishing mortality u= 0.29. This suggests that the commercial multispecies gill net fishery imparts substantial mortality even when the Striped Bass harvest season is closed. The reason for this mortality is obscure, but may be attributable to dead discard mortality; over-quota and high-grading mortality; avoidance, predation, and drop-out mortality; or unreported, miss-reported and illegal harvest (ICES 1995; Gilman et al. 2013; Uhlmann and Broadhurst 2015; Batsleer et al. 2015). In particular, discard mortality should be carefully considered as Clark and Kahn (2009) found that Striped Bass are acutely susceptible to discard mortality in multispecies gill net fisheries. Furthermore, Striped Bass discards in the large mesh gill net fishery were identified as the primary source of mortality within the CSMA (NCDENR 2013). The effect of gill net effort on discrete annual mortality as estimated by linear modeling is within 3% of the estimated effect of cryptic mortality in a cohort-based model (u= 0.26; Table B.3 in Rachels and Ricks 2015), while the effect of commercial harvest was identical to the estimated commercial harvest discrete annual fishing mortality rate in that study.

Current high exploitation rates combined with low stock abundance and a high contribution of hatchery fish to the spawning stock (Rachels and Ricks 2015; Bradley 2016) suggest the expected recovery time of Neuse River Striped Bass continues to be “both uncertain and long” (Hilborn et al. 2014). Our research suggests fisheries managers should reduce exploitation by focusing on reductions in gill net effort in areas of the Neuse River utilized by Striped Bass. Reducing spawning stock exploitation may confer an increased likelihood of recruitment during periods of favorable environmental conditions, thereby leading to improvements in population abundance and increased numbers of wild fish in the spawning stock.


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Great work on this project by the USFWS and NCWRC!  Now, if the NCDMF would just get on-board supporting a sustainable fishery that promotes upstream reproduction versus a pure put-grow-take fishery with 85% of mortality caused by commercial fishing...management that has resulted in a truncated age structure of young immature fish with little spawning potential.


http://www.americanrivers.org/2017/11/neuse-river-flow-freely-milburnie-dam-removed/


http://ccanc.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/CSMA-Striped-Bass-.pdf



http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/counties/wake-county/article186704673.html


Raleigh’s Milburnie Dam is gone, unleashing the Neuse River

The Milburnie Dam was the last one between Falls Lake and Pamlico Sound. Removing it will allow migratory fish such as shad and striped bass to make their way to northern Wake County to spawn.

It will take some time for this stretch of the Neuse to return to its natural condition. Sand and sediment that built up behind the dam will move downstream; rare mussels found in the river above and below the Milburnie impoundment are expected to move into this stretch of the river; and 15.5 acres of wetlands along the impoundment will slowly adjust to the lower water levels.




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...and the drum beats on!!! Will we be marching to the same tune in 2018?

The CSMA striped bass fishery is unsustainable!!! 

The FMP is a complete failure!!!

Commercial harvest should be closed!!!


Recruitment over-fishing by the commercial fishing sector has led to a truncated age structure preventing the establishment of a spawning stock biomass that can produce dominant year-classes.  Mature dominant year classes are needed to increase egg deposition on the spawning grounds.  Increasing the spawning stock biomass and advancing the female age-structure to older fecund individuals should lead to improved wild recruitment, which is the goal of Amendment 1 to the North Carolina Estuarine Striped Bass Fishery Management Plan as stated on page 1.

The goals of Amendment 1 to the North Carolina Estuarine Striped Bass FMP are to achieve sustainable harvest through science based decision-making processes that conserve adequate spawning stock, provide and maintain a broad age structure, and protect the integrity of critical habitats.

Exploitation in this fishery exceeds the CSMA management target and threshold mandated by Amendment 1 to the North Carolina Estuarine Striped Bass Fishery Management Plan (FMP). The commercial fishing sector is harvesting 70% of all striped bass in the CSMA.  It is estimated that when mortality from unreported landings, illegal harvest, dead discards from active fishing gears, and mortality from ghost commercial fishing gears are included along with reported commercial landings that the commercial fishing sector is responsible for 85% or more of all striped bass mortality in the CSMA.

Genetic sampling studies show that at least 93% of the stock is from hatchery origin.  There is a high probability that the remaining 7% of the stock is of hatchery origin that was stocked prior to 2010 when genetic parentage based marking begun. If true, then the CSMA has become entirely a "put-grow-take" fishery.  Stocking was never intended to enable a fishery in which the commercial sector takes 85% of the fish. 

The original purpose of stocking the CSMA can be found on page 301 of the FMP.  

Specific objectives for stocking striped bass into coastal river systems include attempts to increase spawning stock abundance while promoting self-sustaining population levels appropriate for various habitats and ecosystems.

Also on page 301 of the FMP, one can see that stocking was not thought to be of significant importance.

Results suggested striped bass stocked in the Neuse and Tar rivers appeared to contribute little to the spawning stocks in these systems.

Through genetic Parentage Based Sampling, we now know that the importance of stocking the CSMA has changed significantly. Genetic sampling has proven that stocking is not supplementing an existing wild stock, but is the stock.  Biologists believe that this fishery is close to 100% stocked origin.  Stocking is crucial.  If stocking stops, this fishery will completely disappear within five to six years with a striped bass in the CSMA becoming a rarity.

I, along with others, have been requesting for over two years that the NCMFC/NCDMF address the glaring mortality level that violates the management goals of the FMP.  It is now clear that the importance of hatchery stocked fish is a complete paradigm shift undermining the tenets of Amendment 1 to the North Carolina Estuarine Striped Bass Fishery Management Plan.







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If they can't fix the CMSA striper problem by closing down commercial harvest than all management is hopeless.

This issue is a no-brainer. 


CMSA striper harvest is ALL STOCKED FISH.  Why is DMF allowing this to continue????????????Angry






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Well, we now have a director with a BS degree and 30 years inside the DMF making friends with commercial industry inside and out of the agency. Things never change and it seems Coopers pre-election letter was not 100% truthful. Could an outsider with the resource in mind not be found?
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DMF stepped up and was timely on shutting down the trout fishery so I don't think its fair to make judgement on Steve at this time. Only time will tell where his interests lie and what direction he will receive from above. Hopefully he will receive support from above when making tough decisions. He has watched the mariculture industry develop in NC and with the developing challenges of that and the arrival of Cooke Aquaculture in the state hopefully his experiences will be beneficial.   

Here's wishing the best to Director Murphey as he begins a challenging new career! Cheers Steve!
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Ditto what todobien said.  Give the new director a chance.

I am just wondering whether the order to close the trout fishery originated at DMF (Steve) or DEQ in Raleigh. Either way, it was a good decision.   






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Can you say cryptic mortality!


UPDATE: Captain charged following Craven County sinking boat rescue

CRAVEN COUNTY, N.C. (WITN) - Authorities say that a boat captain is facing a charge following a rescue involving his sinking boat earlier this week.

Marine Patrol Officer Eric Smith say that Charles Jones, 46, has been charged with misdemeanor use of gillnets in joint waters during a time that they are not allowed to use that equipment.

Emergency responders received a call of a boat sinking at the wildlife landing on Wildlife Road in Craven County just before 2 a.m. Monday.

Authorities say one of the men swam to shore and called 911. The other man was pulled from the boat by rescue crews.

Both were treated for hypothermia at CarolinaEast Medical Center and were expected to be released the same day.

Officers say the men were fishing for mullet using the gillnet, which are not allowed for use from Friday at midnight until after midnight on Sunday.

The misdemeanor charge has an automatic $180 court fee and $35 fine.

Officials say they received a call about a boat that was sinking at the wildlife landing on Wildlife Road in Craven County just before 2 a.m. Monday.

Authorities say two people were on board the boat when it started sinking. One of the men swam to shore and called 911, while the other man was pulled from the boat by rescue crews.

Wildlife Master Officer David Midyette identified the fishermen as 46-year-old Charles Jones and 61-year-old Mickey Wilson.

Search vessels from five departments, including Tri-Community Volunteer Fire Dept., Little Swift Creek Volunteer Fire Dept., Bridgeton Fire/ Rescue, New Bern Fire/ Rescue, N.C. Wildlife, along with Craven County sheriff's deputies assisted in the rescue.

Both men were transported to CarolinaEast Medical Center, for hypothermia. Midyette says they are expected to be released today.


When cryptic mortality is included, the commercial sector could easily be responsible for 85% or more of all CSMA striped bass mortality.


NCWRC- Neuse River 2014 Striped Bass Data- http://1drv.ms/1NDDSoL


"Recreational harvest and discard, as well as commercial harvest, contributed modestly to
the overall mortality rate (Table B.3). “Cryptic mortality”, or mortality not accounted for
through reported harvest or natural mortality, was greater than the reported recreational or
commercial exploitation in all scenarios."

If cryptic mortality cannot be assigned to natural mortality or migration, it must be assigned to exploitation. Exploitation can be characterized as the “…sum of all fishery-induced moralities occurring directly as a result of catch, or indirectly as a result of contact with or avoidance of the fishing gear…” .  ICES (1995) formalized the components of exploitation by the equation where F is exploitation; FCL represents commercial landing mortality; FRL denotes recreational landing mortality; FSL is subsistence fishing landing mortality; FB represents illegal and misreported landing mortality; FD is discard mortality; FO denotes mortality of fish captured by fishing gear but not landed (drop out mortality); FA represents mortality due to fish who avoid the gear but die from stress or injuries incurred during gear avoidance; FE is mortality resulting from fish contacting but escaping the gear and eventually dying; FG is mortality resulting from “ghost” fishing gears (i.e., abandoned); FP represents predation of fish who escape from or are stressed by fishing gear and would otherwise live; and FH denotes mortality due to fishing gear induced
habitat alterations.


Many of these potential sources of exploitation are likely insignificant for many fisheries, including the Neuse River Striped Bass fisheries. In the Neuse River, FCL and FRL are reported and were included in this analysis, as well as the recreational component of FD. The NCDMF trip ticket program is a direct census of FCL. Since FRL is calculated from survey data and is not a census, FRL parameter uncertainty should be evaluated to explore its effect on cryptic mortality.  ICES (1995) suggests FB and FD can have a large influence on exploitation, as well as FG in the case of gillnet fisheries. Therefore, FB , FD , and FG should be investigated as they potentially contribute significantly to the cryptic mortality observed in the Neuse River Striped Bass population.







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There is much more to this story. Why would they be "mullet" fishing at night anyway? Locals are reporting truckloads of trout and rockfish in the possession of these boys at the time of the rescue. Let's hope that part of the story gets fully investigated. Misdemeanor charge will deter nothing. 
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